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joec32033
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6/30/2006  7:18 AM
Sherlock Holmes, Isiah is not. Three sources, including one inside the Suns organization, told The Post yesterday Phoenix was not taking Balkman in the first round and that's not why they traded their picks. One league source who spoke to a Suns official said if Balkman was available at 45, they would have passed.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/blight__early_knicks_marc_berman.htm


He wants to follow the Suns plan so bad that he will draft players just because the Suns want them...sad....
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6/30/2006  8:00 AM
You can't take seriously anything that GMs say after the draft is done.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06-30-2006 08:01 AM]
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6/30/2006  8:02 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

You can't take seriously anything that GMs say after the draft is done.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06-30-2006 08:01 AM]

Double edged sword Bonn...that logic says that whatever Isiah is saying about Balkman being taken by PHX is bunk too.
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6/30/2006  8:05 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Bonn1997:

You can't take seriously anything that GMs say after the draft is done.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06-30-2006 08:01 AM]

Double edged sword Bonn...that logic says that whatever Isiah is saying about Balkman being taken by PHX is bunk too.
Of course what Isiah says about him being taken by PHX is irrelevant too. That's why it makes more sense to just move on and evaluate what we do have
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6/30/2006  8:09 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Bonn1997:

You can't take seriously anything that GMs say after the draft is done.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06-30-2006 08:01 AM]

Double edged sword Bonn...that logic says that whatever Isiah is saying about Balkman being taken by PHX is bunk too.
Of course what Isiah says about him being taken by PHX is irrelevant too. That's why it makes more sense to just move on and evaluate what we do have

I can live with that.....I think the main point about Balkman is that there was much more value available at that pick...Even if Marcus was gone Balkman would've still been like my 25th option.
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6/30/2006  8:30 AM
everyone hated lee as well.
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6/30/2006  8:34 AM
rvhoss, these guys must suck lemons before they post here because they are ALWAYS SOUR !!!!
Isiah Thomas will lead us back to the playoffs in 2006 !!!
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6/30/2006  8:44 AM
i was always of the opinion that last year's team should have won 42 games. Last season has not changed my opinion and I hope Isiah and Dolan have that same a opinion and that is the barometer.

IF zeke wins more than the previous year's total, he should win Coach of the year by default becuase it's been the media and some of this boards consensus that NODOBY could win anything with this roster (I suspect this is more protecting LB though).

So, he wins 35 games, he should win coach of the year...and most that would disagree with me think this roster is rubbish, so that in itself is an agreement with me.
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6/30/2006  8:59 AM
rvhoss, if he wins 35-40 games, the media and guys on this board will say that we were supposed to win because LB instilled the proper guidance and motivation the year before
Isiah Thomas will lead us back to the playoffs in 2006 !!!
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6/30/2006  9:07 AM
Posted by OngBok:

rvhoss, if he wins 35-40 games, the media and guys on this board will say that we were supposed to win because LB instilled the proper guidance and motivation the year before

No......Larry didn't instill **** in this roster through a combination his fault, the players hard headedness, and Isiah not supporting Larry when he needed to.

This team will win more games because they like Isiah more than Larry.
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6/30/2006  9:09 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

everyone hated lee as well.
who hated Lee? At the time I would rather had taken Blatch, Lois Williams, Taft or Gomes, but I didnt boo Lee. I just didnt know him. I think most were the same way. Lee wasnt taken before bonafide lottery talent that had slipped. Lee was a case of preference
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6/30/2006  9:31 AM
how about we see how Balkman turns out next year & leave it at that? if Isiah were to have drafted the sleeper of the draft, would you guys have a problem anymore with where he got him? he's made some good choices in the past, he deserves the benefit of the doubt before we rag on his pick, don't you think?
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6/30/2006  10:11 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

i was always of the opinion that last year's team should have won 42 games. Last season has not changed my opinion and I hope Isiah and Dolan have that same a opinion and that is the barometer.

IF zeke wins more than the previous year's total, he should win Coach of the year by default becuase it's been the media and some of this boards consensus that NODOBY could win anything with this roster (I suspect this is more protecting LB though).

So, he wins 35 games, he should win coach of the year...and most that would disagree with me think this roster is rubbish, so that in itself is an agreement with me.

I agree wholeheartedly, but 35 isnt enough for coach of the year imo. 40 + is my barometer for coach of the year, 37+ is my minimum level of satisfaction as far as progress is concerned.

But yes, LB has everyone convinced that no one could win with this roster, so if he wins 37 AND we make the playoffs they should be singing his praises.
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Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by rvhoss:

i was always of the opinion that last year's team should have won 42 games. Last season has not changed my opinion and I hope Isiah and Dolan have that same a opinion and that is the barometer.

IF zeke wins more than the previous year's total, he should win Coach of the year by default becuase it's been the media and some of this boards consensus that NODOBY could win anything with this roster (I suspect this is more protecting LB though).

So, he wins 35 games, he should win coach of the year...and most that would disagree with me think this roster is rubbish, so that in itself is an agreement with me.

I agree wholeheartedly, but 35 isnt enough for coach of the year imo. 40 + is my barometer for coach of the year, 37+ is my minimum level of satisfaction as far as progress is concerned.

But yes, LB has everyone convinced that no one could win with this roster, so if he wins 37 AND we make the playoffs they should be singing his praises.

I won't be singing anyones praises unless they make the playoffs and are playing good defense every possession.
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6/30/2006  10:18 AM
actually Larry said he could win with this roster, but what he wanted was Marbury, Francis, Rose, JJ and Mo Taylor off of it.

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6/30/2006  10:27 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by rvhoss:

everyone hated lee as well.
who hated Lee? At the time I would rather had taken Blatch, Lois Williams, Taft or Gomes, but I didnt boo Lee. I just didnt know him. I think most were the same way. Lee wasnt taken before bonafide lottery talent that had slipped. Lee was a case of preference
I remember quite a few posters complaining that we traded Nazy just to get David Lee and another pick
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6/30/2006  10:28 AM
The rookies benefited from Larry. Even JJ. These guys got some good practices and learned a ton.

While Larry was harsh on Nate, was it not deserving for him to get diciplined and tighen up the clown act and concentrate? I thought Crawfords defense was remarkable down the stretch at times!
In fact, Jamal played great the last few games.

The rookies will be fine going forward and I have no doubt they will play for Isiah for the short term. Isiah coaching is not a long term prospect in my mind, but we go one season at a time.

Isiah will get the praise for this teams turnaround if it happens and they will throw Larry under the bus when ever they can to spin this good.

Lord have mercey if this team falls on its face again. Isiah will get hammered.
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Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by rvhoss:

i was always of the opinion that last year's team should have won 42 games. Last season has not changed my opinion and I hope Isiah and Dolan have that same a opinion and that is the barometer.

IF zeke wins more than the previous year's total, he should win Coach of the year by default becuase it's been the media and some of this boards consensus that NODOBY could win anything with this roster (I suspect this is more protecting LB though).

So, he wins 35 games, he should win coach of the year...and most that would disagree with me think this roster is rubbish, so that in itself is an agreement with me.

I agree wholeheartedly, but 35 isnt enough for coach of the year imo. 40 + is my barometer for coach of the year, 37+ is my minimum level of satisfaction as far as progress is concerned.

But yes, LB has everyone convinced that no one could win with this roster, so if he wins 37 AND we make the playoffs they should be singing his praises.

37 wins ain't making the playoffs. and with an improved east where EVERYBODY except philly and possibly milwaukee (depending on what they do with magloire) has taken a step forward, 40 wins may not make it either.
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6/30/2006  11:40 AM
but do 40 wins make coach of the year? He wins 17 more games from the previous year with a roster that everyone in the media and LB
think this team should have only won 10 games.

no way I'm believing you fish when you say larry thinks he could win with this roster and the 6 players released, because he could have benched them and gotten his 10 more wins...heck, he didn't play marbs and francis and rose and etc. and we lost.

He wins 17 more games, he wins coach of the year, and if you aren't singing his praises you are just sour.
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Posted by rvhoss:

but do 40 wins make coach of the year? He wins 17 more games from the previous year with a roster that everyone in the media and LB
think this team should have only won 10 games.

no way I'm believing you fish when you say larry thinks he could win with this roster and the 6 players released, because he could have benched them and gotten his 10 more wins...heck, he didn't play marbs and francis and rose and etc. and we lost.

He wins 17 more games, he wins coach of the year, and if you aren't singing his praises you are just sour.

no. coach of the year pretty much goes to teams that win 50/55+ games. otherwise byron scott should have won it last year.
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