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BRIGGS
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6/29/2006  1:46 PM
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The Suns agreed to move the pick before NY even chose Balkman. Heck, Doc Rivers was talking about the Suns taking Rondo on ESPN right as NY choose Balkman. The Suns had targeted three guys: Gay, Sefolosha and Carney. Once they were gone, Phoenix started working a deal to move the pick.

In order to believe the silly rumor that Phoenix wanted Balkman, you woud need to believe that Phoenix was all ready to take him, then Isiah took him. And, in less than 30 seconds (when Doc Rivers spoke), Phoenix worked out a deal with boston and took a player in Rondo that they had no internal interest in.

Sorry, this is just Isiah trying to cover for yet another major blunder.


-->The moment that Rodney Carney, Thabo Sefolosha, and Ronnie Brewer were gone the Suns decided to hang up the draft and long before Isiah was makeing the Renaldo pick the Suns had a deal in place to sell the pick. The Suns may have taken him with that 2nd round pick they acquired from the pick, but Dantoni was clear he was looking for offensive help people that can shoot the ball. So if NY fans (not yourself) need this talk from Isiah to believe in the Knicks again then that is fine go ahead, but ask yourself do we look like a team that would draft a 6-5 player that cant shoot?
Im laughing my *** off about the orlando stats.....
Jose Jaun Barerra average 19pts and 13.5 assist and he is 5'10 in orlando
It doesnt make sense what Isiah did but dont worry he has to make bigger deals then this to win this year. good luck
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Rich
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6/29/2006  1:47 PM
You have a thought, you start a thread.
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6/29/2006  2:12 PM
Posted by Rich:

You have a thought, you start a thread.

No actually, he has a thought a starts 1 million threads on the same thought.

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6/29/2006  2:21 PM
supposedly the Suns wanted him at 27. if you can find out that deal was made with Portland well in advance of the Balkman pick, you're on to something.
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BRIGGS
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6/29/2006  2:24 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

supposedly the Suns wanted him at 27. if you can find out that deal was made with Portland well in advance of the Balkman pick, you're on to something.

Not really. Its quite obvious that it was 100% fabricated BS. No need to call the Phoenix front office, Isiah Thomas tried another BS ploy. You can believe it or not, but the honesty is he is either delusional or bluntly lying to fans face's. Probably both.
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6/29/2006  2:30 PM
If Thomas cared about public perception at all he would have taken the husky Husky, not "overdrafted" a guy then made up a story. This is an idiotic supposition. He got the player he wanted. Maybe next year some of our thread starters will be invited to Orlando and the private workouts, so they really will know as much as they think they do on draft night.
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6/29/2006  3:39 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:

If Thomas cared about public perception at all he would have taken the husky Husky, not "overdrafted" a guy then made up a story. This is an idiotic supposition. He got the player he wanted. Maybe next year some of our thread starters will be invited to Orlando and the private workouts, so they really will know as much as they think they do on draft night.

whatever the nets got a better player at 54 than we did at 20--take it to the bank
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6/29/2006  3:42 PM
Originally posted by BRIGGS:
Originally posted by PhilinLA:

If Thomas cared about public perception at all he would have taken the husky Husky, not "overdrafted" a guy then made up a story. This is an idiotic supposition. He got the player he wanted. Maybe next year some of our thread starters will be invited to Orlando and the private workouts, so they really will know as much as they think they do on draft night.
whatever the nets got a better player at 54 than we did at 20--take it to the bank

This part is very true and sickening.
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6/29/2006  3:47 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

The Suns agreed to move the pick before NY even chose Balkman. Heck, Doc Rivers was talking about the Suns taking Rondo on ESPN right as NY choose Balkman. The Suns had targeted three guys: Gay, Sefolosha and Carney. Once they were gone, Phoenix started working a deal to move the pick.

Mike D'Antoni was interviewed after they sold their last pick & he said they had 5 guys that they targeted that were no longer on the board, which was the reason they decided to trade out of the draft, unless i heard wrong... i'm pretty positive he specifically said they had 5 players on their list.
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6/29/2006  3:48 PM
Originally posted by TMS:
Originally posted by BRIGGS:

The Suns agreed to move the pick before NY even chose Balkman. Heck, Doc Rivers was talking about the Suns taking Rondo on ESPN right as NY choose Balkman. The Suns had targeted three guys: Gay, Sefolosha and Carney. Once they were gone, Phoenix started working a deal to move the pick.
Mike D'Antoni was interviewed after they sold their last pick & he said they had 5 guys that they targeted that were no longer on the board, which was the reason they decided to trade out of the draft, unless i heard wrong... i'm pretty positive he specifically said they had 5 players on their list.

You're right, he did but Briggs point is a good one that he can't put together a deal in 30 seconds, so likely the 5 players went prior to when we picked.
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6/29/2006  3:53 PM
Posted by Solace:
Originally posted by TMS:
Originally posted by BRIGGS:

The Suns agreed to move the pick before NY even chose Balkman. Heck, Doc Rivers was talking about the Suns taking Rondo on ESPN right as NY choose Balkman. The Suns had targeted three guys: Gay, Sefolosha and Carney. Once they were gone, Phoenix started working a deal to move the pick.
Mike D'Antoni was interviewed after they sold their last pick & he said they had 5 guys that they targeted that were no longer on the board, which was the reason they decided to trade out of the draft, unless i heard wrong... i'm pretty positive he specifically said they had 5 players on their list.

You're right, he did but Briggs point is a good one that he can't put together a deal in 30 seconds, so likely the 5 players went prior to when we picked.

not necessarily true. If 3 out of 5 were gone with 3 teams left to pick and I thought the remaining 2 were going to select my last 2 on the list, I would start negotiating NOW instead of waiting... just in case things fell through. SO, D'Antoni could have started negotiations with his guy still available but commenced the trade just after NY's selection.
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6/29/2006  4:10 PM
i think none of us should jump to conclusions when none of us are in on any of these draft day war room discussions... the story about Phoenix intending on taking Balkman could be true, as far fetched as it may seem to some... just because guys like Jay Bilas say he's a 2nd round talent doesn't mean we should assume he wasn't going to be taken in the 1st round... 1 of Jay Bilas' picks for the 1st round wasn't even taken at all in either round... he's operating on best guess scenarios, as informed as he may be on these prospects (& he really is, i give him props for his analysis on alot of these players i've never even heard of)
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6/29/2006  4:12 PM
Posted by TMS:

i think none of us should jump to conclusions when none of us are in on any of these draft day war room discussions... the story about Phoenix intending on taking Balkman could be true, as far fetched as it may seem to some... just because guys like Jay Bilas say he's a 2nd round talent doesn't mean we should assume he wasn't going to be taken in the 1st round... 1 of Jay Bilas' picks for the 1st round wasn't even taken at all in either round... he's operating on best guess scenarios, as informed as he may be on these prospects (& he really is, i give him props for his analysis on alot of these players i've never even heard of)

agreed
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6/30/2006  2:18 AM
On draft night, Thomas said he took Balkman early because he was sure he would be gone when the Knicks selected again at No. 29 (they did not have a second-round pick). According to Thomas, the Phoenix Suns were set to draft Balkman with one of their two picks, at 21 or 27.

"That's funny," Mike D'Antoni, the Suns' president and coach, told a Phoenix radio station. "He wasn't even on our radar."
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6/30/2006  4:34 AM
Posted by TMS:

i think none of us should jump to conclusions when none of us are in on any of these draft day war room discussions... the story about Phoenix intending on taking Balkman could be true, as far fetched as it may seem to some... just because guys like Jay Bilas say he's a 2nd round talent doesn't mean we should assume he wasn't going to be taken in the 1st round... 1 of Jay Bilas' picks for the 1st round wasn't even taken at all in either round... he's operating on best guess scenarios, as informed as he may be on these prospects (& he really is, i give him props for his analysis on alot of these players i've never even heard of)

There's no logical evidence that Balkman was going anywhere near the first round (with the exception of what we did, of course). If you want to talk about the abstract, yes, technically, there's no 100% certainty. However, from what we know, it seems near certain that Balkman had no shot of going higher than 45 or 50 before we reached and grabbed him. The fact that one article said the Suns were going to take him, well there's a host of others who make no mention of the Balkman pick. So, no, I don't buy it. We all jump to logical conclusions. The logical conclusion here is that Isiah reached badly. All will be forgotten if Balkman plays well and helps us turn this thing around, but as of right now, all signs point to us severely reaching and getting poor value out of a pick we spent a fortune to obtain.
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6/30/2006  4:38 AM
if he believed it to be true, then it was true...it didn't want to take the chance. Gm's and Coaches tend to put out false information to get the guy they want.

If he believed it to be true, then it was, and we got who we needed. The player you guys wanted him to get, the huskie, while he's cool and all, unless we trade 2 of our high priced point guards, he's bench fodder...do we need more bench fodder?
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6/30/2006  7:04 AM
So, if Phoenix wanted him it makes a difference. It really makes no difference to me. The guy who drafted Camby, MCgrady, Stoudamire and the current 3 knicks thought this guy was good enough to take at 20. No one else does.

Time will tell who is right. I will wait and see. The writeups on him have been excellent. Just because TV stuffed shirts do not know him does not mean he will not excel. Some guys can play and some can't.

As for the poor value, everyone in the first round is on even footing now. They have to prove themselves worthy of where they were picked. Oh sure the top 5 will have a few more chances but after that, if they bust, they bust. If they Good, they good. How many really good NBA players were not well thought of at draft time? I am sure there are plenty. Rodman being one.

Everyone here loved Ariza and from every indication this guy is at least as good if not better. Let's stop with the hysterics already!
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6/30/2006  7:47 AM
It says in the Post Balkman was the SIXTH MAN for SC.
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6/30/2006  7:57 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

if he believed it to be true, then it was true...it didn't want to take the chance. Gm's and Coaches tend to put out false information to get the guy they want.

If he believed it to be true, then it was, and we got who we needed. The player you guys wanted him to get, the huskie, while he's cool and all, unless we trade 2 of our high priced point guards, he's bench fodder...do we need more bench fodder?
Well didnt Isiah say point blank that he wouldnt comprimise the Knicks future with this draft for short term needs? Since we are REBUILDING and we pretty much have the froncourt in place wouldnt you want a pass first pressure tested PG to feed the ball to those guys? Go read ESPN, Yahoo, CNN-SI, NBAdraft.net, draftexpress, etc.
The ALL had MW in the lottery and rated in the top 2 PGs prospects

This discussion is about value, and once again Isiah horribly short changed this organization and helped other teams along the way.

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6/30/2006  8:22 AM
don't we have the back court in place as well...it was my understanding that we were grooming Crawford as our PG of the future and our main concern going forward was a defensive 3. After that we were hoping to obtain a shot blocker (though i still think that is frye and to some degree JJ).

at the time of our pick he was the best defensive 3 available...we got the best player available already with Curry.
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