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6/29/2006  9:43 AM
No better way to phrase it. When we had Trevor Ariza, he was a defensive stud who anchored our defense and had all-star potential. Now we draft a guy who 90% of the board has never seen play, many never heard of before, and definitely wasn't a first rounder (one GMs ego aside), yet some are claiming he's already better than Ariza.

It must be the kool-aid.
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6/29/2006  9:44 AM
Oops, typoed title and can't edit...
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6/29/2006  9:46 AM
i'm holding my tongue on him & just keeping my hopes up based on what i've heard... from what it sounds like, he's a JYD type guy, & we need more guys like that on this team.
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6/29/2006  9:49 AM
Originally posted by TMS:

i'm holding my tongue on him & just keeping my hopes up based on what i've heard... from what it sounds like, he's a JYD type guy, & we need more guys like that on this team.

My worry is he might be more like Ira Newble.
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6/29/2006  9:52 AM
i can't say 1 way or the other cuz honestly, i didn't even know this guy's name before last night's draft.
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6/29/2006  10:08 AM
Posted by Solace:

No better way to phrase it. When we had Trevor Ariza, he was a defensive stud who anchored our defense and had all-star potential. Now we draft a guy who 90% of the board has never seen play, many never heard of before, and definitely wasn't a first rounder (one GMs ego aside), yet some are claiming he's already better than Ariza.

It must be the kool-aid.


It's kool-aid all right. Except in reverse.

Ariza is all kool-aid. That kid has no skill. All he can do is jump. Ariza wasn't exactly an energy JYD. All his energy came when he get all excited over a put back. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Ariza will get no where in the NBA.

All-star potential!?! Gimme a break. Let's just get go ahead and draft high jumpers into the NBA.. we'll get the same result. I dunno where you got "anchored our defense" either. Maybe he was slightly better than others, but on the Knicks.. thats not saying much.

Don't BS about Balkman, but dont BS about delusional Reezy either.
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6/29/2006  10:12 AM
Originally posted by metra:
Originally posted by Solace:

No better way to phrase it. When we had Trevor Ariza, he was a defensive stud who anchored our defense and had all-star potential. Now we draft a guy who 90% of the board has never seen play, many never heard of before, and definitely wasn't a first rounder (one GMs ego aside), yet some are claiming he's already better than Ariza.
It must be the kool-aid.
It's kool-aid all right. Except in reverse.
Ariza is all kool-aid. That kid has no skill. All he can do is jump. Ariza wasn't exactly an energy JYD. All his energy came when he get all excited over a put back. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Ariza will get no where in the NBA.
All-star potential!?! Gimme a break. Let's just get go ahead and draft high jumpers into the NBA.. we'll get the same result. I dunno where you got "anchored our defense" either. Maybe he was slightly better than others, but on the Knicks.. thats not saying much.
Don't BS about Balkman, but dont BS about delusional Reezy either.

I'm just saying I've heard the whole kool-aid song and dance before. You kool-aiders do this at any pick. If we picked a pile of dirt, the kool-aiders would say that the pile of dirt was a solid pick and will one day be an all-star.

Do I think Reezy is all-star potential? Of course not. But it does seem like some fans seem to OVERRATE every player on our team, and the moment they leave our team, that player sucks. Is that pattern not painfully obvious? Is it not absurd to think that Balkman is instantly better than Ariza without having seen him play? His statistics were pitiful for someone at that slot. He's not first round talent, based on the information we do have.

However, he's already better than Ariza, apparently. How quickly the tides change.
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6/29/2006  10:39 AM
Nobody knew who Ariza was either! Yet with his lack of skills he impacted NBA games at times. Balkman is more polished than Ariza was. He apparently has some handle in addition to his hustle. SHooting is repetition. It can be learned. Heart cannot be.
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6/29/2006  10:45 AM
Originally posted by GoNyGoNyGo:

Nobody knew who Ariza was either! Yet with his lack of skills he impacted NBA games at times. Balkman is more polished than Ariza was. He apparently has some handle in addition to his hustle. SHooting is repetition. It can be learned. Heart cannot be.

Based on WHAT? That's my question to you. What are you basing these assumptions on? A description you saw on knickskoolaid.org.net.com?
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6/29/2006  10:50 AM
I know nothing about the kid, but root for him to be a stud based on him now being a Knick. That's it. The draft is a crap shoot.
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6/29/2006  11:29 AM
Based on What? I guess you are talking about the polished comment.

Well for one thing, he played 2 more years of college. For another his body is more developed. For another thing, Ariza can't dribble or shoot. So Balkman cannot be any worse. Balkman was among the best players in Orlando according to several GM's. He was the NIT MVP. Can Ariza say that?

As for Heart not being taught, I thought that was obvious.

Todays Newsday
Although Balkman averaged only 9.6 points as a senior, he averaged 6.3 rebounds and was a selfless performer who was named MVP of South Carolina's NIT victory at the Garden last spring. He also was viewed by many as the MVP of the recent pre-draft camp in Orlando.


[Edited by - gonygonygo on 06-29-2006 11:42 AM]
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6/29/2006  1:37 PM
Originally posted by GoNyGoNyGo:

Based on What? I guess you are talking about the polished comment.
Well for one thing, he played 2 more years of college. For another his body is more developed. For another thing, Ariza can't dribble or shoot. So Balkman cannot be any worse. Balkman was among the best players in Orlando according to several GM's. He was the NIT MVP. Can Ariza say that?
As for Heart not being taught, I thought that was obvious.
Todays Newsday
Although Balkman averaged only 9.6 points as a senior, he averaged 6.3 rebounds and was a selfless performer who was named MVP of South Carolina's NIT victory at the Garden last spring. He also was viewed by many as the MVP of the recent pre-draft camp in Orlando.
[Edited by - gonygonygo on 06-29-2006 11:42 AM]

So basically what you're saying is that you've never seen him play and it's all conjecture? That's what I thought.
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6/29/2006  1:38 PM
Posted by Solace:
Originally posted by GoNyGoNyGo:

Based on What? I guess you are talking about the polished comment.
Well for one thing, he played 2 more years of college. For another his body is more developed. For another thing, Ariza can't dribble or shoot. So Balkman cannot be any worse. Balkman was among the best players in Orlando according to several GM's. He was the NIT MVP. Can Ariza say that?
As for Heart not being taught, I thought that was obvious.
Todays Newsday
Although Balkman averaged only 9.6 points as a senior, he averaged 6.3 rebounds and was a selfless performer who was named MVP of South Carolina's NIT victory at the Garden last spring. He also was viewed by many as the MVP of the recent pre-draft camp in Orlando.
[Edited by - gonygonygo on 06-29-2006 11:42 AM]

So basically what you're saying is that you've never seen him play and it's all conjecture? That's what I thought.

But Solace... they've seen the 7'1 WINGSPAN!!!!!!! how can you not be excited about the 6'6 PF with a 7'1 wingspan!!!!! pfffffft Isiah-ites.
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6/29/2006  3:19 PM
Posted by Solace:
Originally posted by GoNyGoNyGo:

Based on What? I guess you are talking about the polished comment.
Well for one thing, he played 2 more years of college. For another his body is more developed. For another thing, Ariza can't dribble or shoot. So Balkman cannot be any worse. Balkman was among the best players in Orlando according to several GM's. He was the NIT MVP. Can Ariza say that?
As for Heart not being taught, I thought that was obvious.
Todays Newsday
Although Balkman averaged only 9.6 points as a senior, he averaged 6.3 rebounds and was a selfless performer who was named MVP of South Carolina's NIT victory at the Garden last spring. He also was viewed by many as the MVP of the recent pre-draft camp in Orlando.
[Edited by - gonygonygo on 06-29-2006 11:42 AM]

So basically what you're saying is that you've never seen him play and it's all conjecture? That's what I thought.
Have you seen him play, Solace (besides the draft day highlights), or are your views conjecture too?
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6/29/2006  3:30 PM
I've seen the guy play plenty of times and how could a NYC'er not pay attention to the NIT? He was freakishly awesome at the NIT.

I'm not gonna sit here and say I wanted Balkman.....I didn't think the guy was gonna get drafted at all.

When you see him play you just think the guy's numbers are off the charts but then you see the season averages on the bottom of the screen during games and wonder WTF? In the NIT.....you just felt good to see him sucseed because you just knew you weren't gonna see him again.....then Isiah drafts him.

You guys talk about track record so much.....Isiah has an awesome track record in the draft. Why deny him now? Mardy Collins is a player that I would have drafted at #20. Balkman is a boarderline #29 pick. They were picked in opposite spots then they might have been projected to go....I just don't understand why there is so much complaining. There is more talk about off the court stuff than on the court.
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6/29/2006  3:57 PM
Balkman willed his team to victory in the NIT with hustle, energy, effort, intangibles, playing hard every inch of the court, making all the little plays that added up to the win. And won NIT MVP. Then did the same thing in Orlando to become MVP of that.

I don't know much about Balkman. But I haven't heard of Ariza accomplishing anything like that in NCAA or in camp. While Ariza makes an impact with his effort. Balkman seems cappable of willing a team to victory with his. He seems cappable of dominating the little things.

But only time will tell. Hopefully it works out for the best.
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