fishmike, what is your definition of bigtime player though? Crawford and Channing turning into all stars while David Lee really does become Charles Oakley?

I've been trying to be very careful in how I look at those 3 players, and Nate. I love all of them, especially b/c they do have the heart and work ethic (We'll have to see with Crawford and how he comes into camp) but I feel that a lot of people expect them to be more than what they can be. So many people say "Ahhh Channing, the next Duncan" yada yada, but they just don't evaluate their games and their strengths and weaknesses and while I do have rather high espectations for them, I think that a lot of the overhype of those guys is a bit unfair.

Let them be what they can be. If Channing is still in the area of a 14 and 7 player next year, I'll be fine, if he learns to improve his defense and boxing out. I'm fine with baby steps like that.