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djsunyc
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6/27/2006  12:18 AM
Boozer, Iverson Involved In Three-Way Deal?
26th June, 2006 - 11:07 pm

Salt Lake Tribune - According to The Chicago Tribune, the Jazz have been involved in talks with Philadelphia and Boston about a three-way trade that would primarily involve All-Star Allen Iverson, Wally Szczerbiak and Carlos Boozer.

Reportedly, Utah would send Boozer to the 76ers, who would send Iverson to the Celtics, who would send Szczerbiak to the Jazz.

According to the Salt Lake Tribune, Utah would almost certainly have to get another player in such a considering Szczerbiak will be playing on a surgically-repaired knee and will be 30 in March. Tribune writer Steve Luhm mentions Al Jefferson as a potential possibility.

Asked about the rumored three-team trade, however, O'Connor said, "It doesn't have as much life as everybody seems to think it does."
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6/27/2006  12:22 AM
If that's true how badly does Philly want Iverson out? Webber would be on his way out as well.
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6/27/2006  12:23 AM
I don't believe this trade. It makes no sense to have both Paul Pierce and Iverson. But who knows maybe Pierce is on his way out?

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6/27/2006  12:43 AM
what are you talking about?!

Boston clearly gets the best end of the bargain!

[Edited by - panos on 06-27-2006 12:44 AM]
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6/27/2006  12:46 AM
draft night is set to be wacky this year.
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6/27/2006  12:54 AM
Posted by Panos:

what are you talking about?!

Boston clearly gets the best end of the bargain!

[Edited by - panos on 06-27-2006 12:44 AM]

Were you replying to me? If you were, I'm not sure that I understand what you are saying relative to my comment.

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6/27/2006  12:59 AM
I think the trade makes no sense either. AI and PP. The sixers basically trading the cities savior for Boozer???? Wally is a 3 and AK47 is a three............... I could come up with a way better trade half in the bag.
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6/27/2006  8:55 AM
why wouldnt philly/utah just do an iverson for boozer deal? why would utah want wally instead of AI - AI is only 2 years older, and infinitely better.
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6/27/2006  12:33 PM
Boozer is a player the Knicks sorely need to play in a rotation with Curry and Frye. He would help both of them immensely because he does everything they don't and would take a ton of pressure off both players. I'm not sure if the Jazz want anything we have but I would hope that Isiah has made the calls to atleast see if its a possibility.
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6/27/2006  2:50 PM
maybe they'd do francis for boozer and play francis at the 2?
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6/27/2006  3:18 PM
Posted by nyballer:

maybe they'd do francis for boozer and play francis at the 2?

I would love to do that trade but if you think Larry Brown didnt like Steve Francis then you've seen nothing compared to the way that Jerry Sloan would hate him. Neither Marbury or Francis fit in Sloans team-concept and Sloan has stood by that aspect and created his teams that way for many years. We'd have to be sending guys like Malik, Q, etc etc out there for Boozer OR have a 3rd team come into play, one that would take Marbury or Francis.
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6/27/2006  3:44 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by nyballer:

maybe they'd do francis for boozer and play francis at the 2?

I would love to do that trade but if you think Larry Brown didnt like Steve Francis then you've seen nothing compared to the way that Jerry Sloan would hate him. Neither Marbury or Francis fit in Sloans team-concept and Sloan has stood by that aspect and created his teams that way for many years. We'd have to be sending guys like Malik, Q, etc etc out there for Boozer OR have a 3rd team come into play, one that would take Marbury or Francis.

true, but how much longer is sloan going to be there? I feel like he will retire soon, and they do need a 2.
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6/27/2006  6:19 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Boozer is a player the Knicks sorely need to play in a rotation with Curry and Frye. He would help both of them immensely because he does everything they don't and would take a ton of pressure off both players. I'm not sure if the Jazz want anything we have but I would hope that Isiah has made the calls to atleast see if its a possibility.

Boozer is not everything Curry and Frye needs. All he is, is a rebounder. Frye and curry can score so they don't need that from him. Frye is already a better shot blocker then Boozer, curry get's more then him and Boozer is a terrible defender. Which I think people over state about Currys and Fryes Defence. Curry usually defends his man well, but he doesn't help anybody. And Frye is still learning how to guard alot of the Smallforwards in 6'11 bodies in the league. And Boozer can't help them with either of those problems.


I think Frye and Curry are going to surprize alot of people this season.
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6/27/2006  7:08 PM
Has to bogus. Dropping from Iverson to Boozer is awful. Boston would love Iverson and that would be sick a trade for them, but no way they're giving up Al Jefferson. The only fair part of the deal would be a straight Boozer for Wally swap, but no way the Jazz would do that with Wally's knee as is.

Whoever made up this rumor should watch a little basketball.

As for Boozer being good the Knicks, seriously, what does he do other than rebound and putback? He's one of the league's worst defenders at the 4. His contract is too big for what he does. I'd much rather have Reggie Evans for MLE+ money than Boozer for well into 8 digits per year.
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6/27/2006  7:10 PM
As for Boozer being good the Knicks, seriously, what does he do other than rebound and putback? He's one of the league's worst defenders at the 4. His contract is too big for what he does. I'd much rather have Reggie Evans for MLE+ money than Boozer for well into 8 digits per year.

A lot of people say that he is a poor defensive player, I haven't seen that he is any worse than average.

He also does more than rebound and putback. He can shoot very nicely out to foul line range. He is an above average rebounder and scorer, as well as an average defensive player, that adds up to a pretty good player to me.

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6/27/2006  7:17 PM
Originally posted by oohah:
As for Boozer being good the Knicks, seriously, what does he do other than rebound and putback? He's one of the league's worst defenders at the 4. His contract is too big for what he does. I'd much rather have Reggie Evans for MLE+ money than Boozer for well into 8 digits per year.
A lot of people say that he is a poor defensive player, I haven't seen that he is any worse than average.
He also does more than rebound and putback. He can shoot very nicely out to foul line range. He is an above average rebounder and scorer, as well as an average defensive player, that adds up to a pretty good player to me.
oohah

Congratulations on you disagreeing with most on his defense. His .24 blocks per game speak volumes. Those are Allan Houston numbers, but from a power forward? That's the league worst for any starter. Then you see how he has trouble keeping his man in front of him. If not for Andre Kirilenko, who is superb, the Jazz would have a ton of defensive troubles. Even Sloan came out in the media to dis Boozer's defense. Now think that Boozer has trouble defensively playing next to an utter stud like Kirilenko. Now surround him with Curry, Frye, Marbury, Francis, etc... and watch our defensive woes multiply.

At some point you have to realize that 12 guys with 15+ point potential and 0 guys who play defense is not a good formula for success.
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6/27/2006  7:31 PM
Congratulations on you disagreeing with most on his defense.

No need to be obnoxious.

His .24 blocks per game speak volumes. Those are Allan Houston numbers, but from a power forward? That's the league worst for any starter.

I never claimed he was a great defensive player, but to base your opinion on his blocks per game is faulty reasoning. Here's a guy we have been talking about recently: Charles Oakley. Do you agree that he was a very good defensive player?

Charles oakley career blocks per game: .30

Carlos boozer career blocks per game: .57

Again, Oakley was a very good defensive player, Boozer is not. However, Boozer is not as a bad as you make him out to be, he is about average. Did I mention that he is a well above average offensive player and an above average rebounder?
Then you see how he has trouble keeping his man in front of him. If not for Andre Kirilenko, who is superb, the Jazz would have a ton of defensive troubles. Even Sloan came out in the media to dis Boozer's defense. Now think that Boozer has trouble defensively playing next to an utter stud like Kirilenko. Now surround him with Curry, Frye, Marbury, Francis, etc... and watch our defensive woes multiply.

At some point you have to realize that 12 guys with 15+ point potential and 0 guys who play defense is not a good formula for success.

When are you guys gonna learn that rebounding is quite important? By the way, defensive rebounding is part of defense.

It's all about balance my man, and Boozer is a better defensive player than Eddie Curry.

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6/27/2006  7:36 PM
boozer is different than frye or curry. he plays BIG around the glass grabbing boards at a 10+ clip. he gets offensive boards and he's a great garbage basket player. putbacks here and there.

only knock on boozer is his health. otherwise he's an upgrade at the 4 or 5.
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6/27/2006  7:39 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

boozer is different than frye or curry. he plays BIG around the glass grabbing boards at a 10+ clip. he gets offensive boards and he's a great garbage basket player. putbacks here and there.

only knock on boozer is his health. otherwise he's an upgrade at the 4 or 5.


I totally agree with you on his skills DJ. I think the health thing is a little overblown. He had hamstring troubles, a type of injury that can end a career if rushed back ahead of time. I think he has done the smart thing when injured: get truly healthy, then when he is on court he can perform for real.

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6/27/2006  7:43 PM
Originally posted by oohah:

No need to be obnoxious.

Sorry that you thought I was being obnoxious. Just a joke. :p
Originally posted by oohah:

When are you guys gonna learn that rebounding is quite important? By the way, defensive rebounding is part of defense.
It's all about balance my man, and Boozer is a better defensive player than Eddie Curry.
oohah

Don't get me wrong. I love rebounders. I think we desperately need one. Boozer's salary is pretty bad, though, and his defense is subpar. If you want to call it average, we can agree to disagree. Boozer should be a better defender than he is, because he has a big body and could bang people around if he wanted to. As for Eddy, quite frankly, Fishmike is a better defensive player than Eddy. And that's the point. We need to get someone upfront who can actually bang his man and play some help defense. Boozer's scoring is nice, but honestly I think Reggie Evans would be a better fit.
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