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Isiah wanted this team to be like the Suns!
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BigC
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6/25/2006  5:11 PM
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/41082/20060625/knicks_front_office_believed_brown_had_ulterior_motives_in_decisions/

"Isiah wanted Larry to play like the Phoenix Suns ," one source said. "Larry told Isiah that maybe he should coach the team."

Really, how many wins can this team get with a run and gun offense?
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6/25/2006  5:17 PM
if you watch the Suns I would say about 15 wins.

We have some guys that can score.. thats it.

We dont have a dominating rebounder (Marion)
We dont have a trio of wing players that defend and create turnover (Marion, Bell, Diaw)

Think those are important pieces? Please
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6/25/2006  5:26 PM
Posted by fishmike:

if you watch the Suns I would say about 15 wins.

We have some guys that can score.. thats it.

We dont have a dominating rebounder (Marion)
We dont have a trio of wing players that defend and create turnover (Marion, Bell, Diaw)

Think those are important pieces? Please

Our biggest problem is defense. Until we start playing defense and get defensive players you can wrap it up. As far as rebounds many of the times this year we rebounded better than our opponents and still lost games.



[Edited by - BigC on 06-25-2006 5:26 PM]
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6/25/2006  5:29 PM
I would love to play run and gun offense but to do so you HAVE to have defense to go along with it. I've been a big detractor of the Phoenix Suns because they don't play enough defense and they will not get farther then they have already without playing more defense.

If Isiah wants to make this Phoenix Suns East he better bring in some defenders if he ever wants it to work on a championship level.
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6/25/2006  5:36 PM
Isiah has no plan for this team
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6/25/2006  5:36 PM
I think Isiah forgot that Marbury was already on PHO and hated running. The guy is a half court man.
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6/25/2006  5:37 PM
He probably just meant he wanted the team try increase the pace at times. I doubt he meant he wanted the team to be a clone of the Suns. It sounds like people are making too much out of the quote. Of course the team is garbage compared to the Suns
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6/25/2006  5:48 PM
I don't know if this article has already been posted, in it D'Antoni says he was not as committed to running when Marbury was with the Suns.

(As I do not post often, I am not sure if it is OK to post an entire article, let me know if I should only supply a short quote and a link)

http://www.nydailynews.com/06-23-2006/front/story/429288p-361936c.html
Coach from the Sun-ny side

Isiah Thomas returns to coaching after three seasons away from sidelines.

Isiah Thomas has done such a remarkably bad job rebuilding the Knicks during his two-plus seasons in New York, he has never even been considered a long shot for the NBA's Executive of the Year Award.

Well, there's always the Coach of the Year award, right?

Thomas can shoot for that honor now because as of yesterday, he's wearing the president's and coach's hats, which is nothing short of poetic justice. If he built this wretched team, he should be made to coach it.

From a pure coaching standpoint, firing Larry Brown and turning to Thomas can't be viewed as anything but a setback. And after having 59 of them this past season, the Knicks really don't need another. But when it comes to in-game strategy, teaching and installing a defensive system, you name it, Thomas can't hold Brown's clipboard.

So what can Knicks fans hang their hats on after Jim Dolan's latest brainstorm? Honestly, not much. But if Thomas is as shrewd as he thinks he is, he can always chuck Brown's "Play the Right Way" system and steal a page or two out of Suns coach Mike D'Antoni's playbook.

Thomas' plans for the Knicks once included going to a Suns-style system. But then they hired Brown and executed a sign-and-trade for a big, lumbering post player named Eddy Curry, who isn't cut out for running to the grocery store, let alone running down the court.
"I don't really know all about the situation there," D'Antoni said yesterday from Phoenix, where he was watching prospects work out for next week's draft. "But I think it could work. There's a lot of talent there. I think the initial reaction will be good, from the players' standpoint, because they always react with this kind of change by saying, 'Hey, I'm gonna prove it wasn't me.' Then I think Isiah can put 'em in a system, let 'em go and they got a chance in the East."

Even a 12-game improvement, to 35 wins, can have the Knicks knocking on the playoff door in April. Yes, they're still gonna be on the south side of .500. But after what we saw this past season, with the players quitting on Brown, Brown quitting on the players and Dolan mindlessly strumming his guitar, oblivious to his franchise becoming a total joke, 35 wins don't look so bad.

Plus, if Thomas adopts a Phoenix-style system, the Knicks will at least be watchable, if not entertaining.

"We want the first guy with an open look to take it, I don't care what the shot clock says," said D'Antoni, whose team reached the Western Conference finals for the second straight season, even playing without Amare Stoudemire. "We're not looking back and critiquing every shot. We try to run every possession and get the quickest open shot we can. We never talk about getting tired. We never question the tempo."

So you can see where Curry might have a problem keeping up.

"Having good players — that's the key to the whole thing," D'Antoni said. "But then you've got to be committed to the style of play, and go with it. It all depends on whether the players buy into it. If Isiah can get them to do that, they can make some noise and compete in the East."

But nobody in Coney Island has ever confused Stephon Marbury with Steve Nash. While Nash has picked up two straight MVP awards, Marbury couldn't even get the Knicks into the playoffs. And of all of Brown's dead-on observations, none was more damning than the time he said, referring to Marbury's ability to run the team, "I don't have a guy with a head out there."

So can a head-less point guard succeed in the Suns system?

"I think Steph can," D'Antoni said. "He was barely there when I took over. And I was not as committed to my system then as I should have been. As long as he believes in it, I think he can do it. That's the big thing. Everybody has to be on the same page. Steph's obviously a talented basketball player. But he has to believe in what Isiah is doing."

At this stage, no one knows if Thomas can pull this off. He brings a 131-115 mark to the sidelines, with his Indiana teams having a reputation for doing many things, but not being good at any one thing. But in some ways, his move from the tunnel to the Knicks bench is good.

For one thing, it puts him closer than ever to the Seventh Ave. exit.
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6/25/2006  7:01 PM
With a point guard like marbury you have to let him freelance a little as long as its within the team concept. Besides Martin just said it and I have said it before. Marbs is not even a open court player. Marbs is more of a half court guy.

Checkout Dallas. Dallas would come down to score quick but best believe that was a planned attack. As soon as they score guys get into defense mode. They get on their assignments based on what the game plan is. Guys the should be held accountable as long as the coach did his part.

You gotta let these players play. In practice guys are supposed to already know where to go. When the ball is tipped the players should already know what they are supposed to do.

On the sidelines the coach is supposed to make in game corrections and motivate the guys when the going gets tough.

So whatever. Play like the suns? That's not even isiah's style of play. Up until last year no one ever played like the suns do now.

All this is just more propaganda. Just like the rumor of trading q-rich the "brown supporter" or "Nate will benifit the most with brown gone" or "isiah wanted to play like the suns"

Stop eating this stuff up. Drink more kool aid.
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6/25/2006  8:01 PM
if you want to play that way you need athletes a PG who doesnt pound the ball and speed. we have some of that, but trying to compare steve nash's skills to marbury isnt close for that type of game. marbury is a 2 guard who plays 1.

by the way, does the Knick front office have the know how to spot talent like Diaw? I doubt it---they have been hot and heavy on has beens with big contracts


they should follow the spurs lead and get into those JR Smith sweepstakes. wait the knicks are smarter than the spurs--heck the spurs are effecient at getting rid of their own mistakes i.e rasho--while the knicks take on headaches and replace them with worse one's
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6/25/2006  8:44 PM
if we take Marquinhos at 20 to play the 3, would be a definite break from the stat quo

we take Williams at 20, more of the same
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6/25/2006  11:49 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

He probably just meant he wanted the team try increase the pace at times. I doubt he meant he wanted the team to be a clone of the Suns. It sounds like people are making too much out of the quote. Of course the team is garbage compared to the Suns


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