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Dave D of Star Ledger weighs in on Isiah coaching
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rojasmas
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6/23/2006  7:47 PM
And guess what? Like me, he doesn't think it is such a bad idea. There is more to coaching than X's and O's and Larry Brown proved that last year. You have to reach the players, not chastise them at every turn and certainly you can't hammer them in the newspapers. Let's see how Isiah does shall we before we hang him in effigy.

http://www.nj.com/search/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/115104102741600.xml?starledger?coldal&coll=1
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6/23/2006  8:17 PM
Hey Rojas,

Good find. I'll just post the article.


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Isiah's pretty good standing on sideline
Friday, June 23, 2006
BY DAVE D'ALESSANDRO
Star-Ledger Staff

Honestly, are we the only ones who think this will work?

Are we the only ones who remember that Isiah Thomas -- for all his faults and missteps and peccadilloes as an executive -- actually succeeded at something since the end of his illustrious playing career?
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Are we the only ones willing to take an objective look at his three-year tenure in Indianapolis and state -- without equivocation, hesitation or embarrassment -- that Zeke was a pretty good coach?

Wow, we can feel you turning the page already.

But before you go, keep one thing in mind about the Knicks' new head coach: This is what he's good at. It is what he has always had a passion for. No bulletin there. Everyone knew all along that he should have replaced Don Chaney, but he chased some idiotic notion that he had to wear a suit every day to spit-polish his legacy and regain his self-esteem. That, as it turned out, was the dumbest move in a series of dumb moves.

He belonged in sweats all along. It goes to the very heart of what he has always valued most, and that -- if you'll stifle your snickering here we could finish a point -- is being a leader. You cannot lead a team from the 14th floor of 2 Penn Plaza or the vomitory at MSG. You lead a team from the practice floor and the locker room and the bus.

Decide for yourself if he has what it takes:

# 2000-01 -- He took over a Pacers team that cleaned house after reaching the NBA Finals. Rik Smits retired, Mark Jackson and Dale Davis were traded, and only one returning starter opened the season (Reggie Miller) because the real transition guy, Jalen Rose, missed the first month with a fractured wrist. This team shouldn't have cracked 35 wins. But they went 41-41, and with an average age of 24, they became the youngest team in the modern era to make the playoffs -- even took one game from conference champ Philly in the first round. It was a good start.

# 2001-02 -- Though Jermaine O'Neal officially became a stud, Thomas took a hit for the team's long-term growth by rewarding the point guard job to rookie Jamaal Tinsley. Al Harrington, the front-runner for Sixth Man honors, went down with an ACL tear in January. The starting lineup changed dramatically in February, with Rose -- an awful chemistry guy -- sent to Chicago for Ron Artest and Brad Miller. So, with a rookie point guard, major injury and roster turnover, Thomas still coaxed them into the playoffs by sweeping the last five games to finish 42-40 -- and then they nearly wrecked the Nets in the first round, losing in double overtime of Game 5.

# 2002-03 -- And the third year went from sublime and ridiculous. By Feb. 14, they were running away with it all -- 37 wins, 14 losses -- and when the roof fell in, none of it had to do with coaching. Artest's rampant jealousy of O'Neal wasn't visible to the public, but he got attention by punching basket supports. O'Neal's stepfather attempted suicide, with O'Neal literally walking in on the scene after the bullet entered his head. Tinsley's season was ruined by a regular commute from Virginia to be with his dying mother. The Millers had ankle injuries entering the postseason. They finished 11-20, went into the playoffs as the third seed, and were smacked by Jim O'Brien's Celtics in the first round again. Thomas' only real mistake was how he used Harrington, and that was enough for Larry Bird. In August, the new Pacers prez fired him.

In the end, at worst, it was a mixed bag. Thomas was never a popular coach, though race had a lot to do with it, because in central Indiana, no African-American is going to be embraced as easily as the farm-boy legend he had replaced, Bird. But even Donnie Walsh would swear that the Pacers got exactly what they needed out of a first-time coach leading a roster of children -- notably, steady improvement, tangible growth, and ultimately, title contention.

Along the way, the novice was unconventional, creative, nurturing -- more of a George Karl disciple than a Larry Brown devotee. Players liked playing for him -- other than Rose, who must also be the first to go this summer, when Zeke the GM retools the roster for Zeke the coach.

But Rose's departure cannot be the only change. Thomas will not repeat Brown's mistakes. He will have a rotation, he will simplify the offense (the Knicks have to become a transition team, period), either Stephon Marbury or Steve Francis must learn how to play off the ball or get lost, and Eddy Curry has to become a defender. These are not things to do, but they can be done, because for the first time since they've arrived in New York, these players have a coach who actually believes in them.

Sure, he is a nightmare exec. And technically, Zeke's not even the most qualified coach in the field. But the job is more than X's and O's; it's about getting guys to play at a high level every night, about formulating a plan, and imparting a vision. Those will be his greatest strengths, once he rids himself of the deadbeats and settles on a core group. Yes, this just might work.

Dave D'Alessandro appears regularly in The Star-Ledger.



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Let's not root against our team because of dislike for Isiah.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 06-23-2006 8:18 PM]
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6/23/2006  10:47 PM
since Isiah is incapable of interacting with coaches it makes perfect sense. He's got a plan, so go execute it. Don, Lenny, Herb and LArry were all jerked around in one way or another. Finally someone that will be on his page.

Should be interesting
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6/23/2006  10:53 PM
That fatuous fool, Michael Kay, should read this article. He doesn't realize that the Pacers in effect rebuilt after the 2000 NBA Finals appearance.
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6/23/2006  11:06 PM
Exactly Rich. People don't realize Isiah was a better coach than he was given credit to be. Bird couldn't stand him and we all should know that firing had a whole lot to do with their personal animosity rather than Isiah's professional performance. Those of us who are of age remember the statement Isiah made calling Bird overrated after a playoff game. And how Bird never forgave him for it.
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6/23/2006  11:42 PM
A mid .500s winning% and making the playoffs in each of your first three years is very good. Many of the best coaches in the game struggled early in their careers.
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6/24/2006  1:16 AM
Posted by rojasmas:

Exactly Rich. People don't realize Isiah was a better coach than he was given credit to be. Bird couldn't stand him and we all should know that firing had a whole lot to do with their personal animosity rather than Isiah's professional performance. Those of us who are of age remember the statement Isiah made calling Bird overrated after a playoff game. And how Bird never forgave him for it.

Yeah, actually Rodman made the comment but Thomas was so ticked at the game and how it was called. Agreed with him when asked. Thomas apologized for the comment. The ironic thing is that Bird has made far more ridculous racial comments not only then but in recent years. The worst was about a couple of years ago when Bird and Magic were being interviewed for ESPN 25 Anniversity. Bird said he felt personally insulted when a coach would put a white player to defend him. Magic was stunned and tried to play it off. It was a weird tv moment. Made news for about 5 whole seconds.
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6/24/2006  1:16 AM
Nobody is saying Isiah was a bad coach. I respected him as a coach a lot too. It's the fact that he has to do 2 enormous jobs now, 1 of which he was terrible, and 1 at which he was decent at. You do the math, b/c to me, it looks like a recipe for Isiah to be blown out of town, and even the NBA. This is unless, of course, we hire a different GM.
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6/24/2006  5:39 AM
Posted by Rich:

That fatuous fool, Michael Kay, should read this article. He doesn't realize that the Pacers in effect rebuilt after the 2000 NBA Finals appearance.

YOu heard it too???? I wanted to call so bad, but I knew they would put me on a S-List for the way I would have said things. He also said that Larry Brown led the pacers to the finals that year in 2000.......
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6/24/2006  5:04 PM
Posted by rojasmas:

Exactly Rich. People don't realize Isiah was a better coach than he was given credit to be. Bird couldn't stand him and we all should know that firing had a whole lot to do with their personal animosity rather than Isiah's professional performance. Those of us who are of age remember the statement Isiah made calling Bird overrated after a playoff game. And how Bird never forgave him for it.

goes to show the kind of person we have running our beloved team in the ground
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6/25/2006  9:41 AM
Posted by rojasmas:

Exactly Rich. People don't realize Isiah was a better coach than he was given credit to be. Bird couldn't stand him and we all should know that firing had a whole lot to do with their personal animosity rather than Isiah's professional performance. Those of us who are of age remember the statement Isiah made calling Bird overrated after a playoff game. And how Bird never forgave him for it.

You know a lot of players from that era don't like IT (Magic and IT use to kiss now they don't even talk. Jordan made sure IT wasn't on the dream team). It makes me wonder why. I don't think the guy has a terrible coaching record - but I don't think it was very good either and I think he's a terrible GM. So at best in my opinion we have a terrible GM and and average coach. That doesn't give me much hope when we have a miserable Salary gap situation a bad draft situation and a lousy roster. I hope everyone is as happy with playing the young kids and winning 30 something games as they claim because that's our best case for the next few years - unless we have major front office changes.



[Edited by - oldfan on 06-25-2006 09:43 AM]
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6/25/2006  12:35 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by rojasmas:

Exactly Rich. People don't realize Isiah was a better coach than he was given credit to be. Bird couldn't stand him and we all should know that firing had a whole lot to do with their personal animosity rather than Isiah's professional performance. Those of us who are of age remember the statement Isiah made calling Bird overrated after a playoff game. And how Bird never forgave him for it.

goes to show the kind of person we have running our beloved team in the ground

Rodman said it, Isiah was sitting right next to him and the reporters wheeled around and asked Isiah if he agreed - so he was faced with supporting a teammate or throwing him under a bus.

Dave D is right on the money - Zeke will be fine.

It's curious that Bird left Indiana when the going got tough and then came back to fire Isiah after Isiah righted the ship in Indy. And somehow only Isiah is the bad guy in that situation. If you want to say making excuses for Indiana in 2003 when they had the best record in the league and then collapsed at the end of the season because of off the court stuff that had nothing to do with Isiah is just making excuses... what about the 04-05 season or 05-06 season? Should Rick C be fired? Or is that not fair?


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