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6/23/2006  12:31 PM
"He got real wacky," one of the executives said of Brown. According to the executive, an agent for one Knicks player told him the player "thought Larry was doing things on purpose to sabotage the team sometimes. Some of the stuff he was doing didn't make any sense."

With players thinking that way whether its true or not, is a recipe for disaster.
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6/23/2006  12:45 PM
This season went the way it did becuase the Knicks are made up of malcontents who also happen to be gutless. Couple that with Brown and his antics and you have what we had.
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6/23/2006  1:14 PM
It was just a bad vibe season. Hindsight is 20/20, but hiring Larry Brown was clearly a mistake. He was a bad fit for this team, then he over-estimated the power of his Juice Card.
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6/24/2006  1:12 AM
Larry Brown is a great coach for a team that is in contention. He's a terrible for a bad team that is rebuilding b/c he just doesn't have the patience. He at least showed it this season. His antics have also been well documented for 30 years, so the question is. Why the hell did Isiah and Dolan go out and starphuck the guy? I'm sure even Isiah knew something about the guys backround. Were they so above their heads that they thought they could handle it? Obviously they couldn't, b/c he was fired after 1 year.
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6/24/2006  2:14 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Larry Brown is a great coach for a team that is in contention. He's a terrible for a bad team that is rebuilding b/c he just doesn't have the patience. He at least showed it this season. His antics have also been well documented for 30 years, so the question is. Why the hell did Isiah and Dolan go out and starphuck the guy? I'm sure even Isiah knew something about the guys backround. Were they so above their heads that they thought they could handle it? Obviously they couldn't, b/c he was fired after 1 year.

not sure I am 100% convinced of you first 2 sentences cause of Philly. How about this: he is terrible for a bad team that is rebuilding without a strong management team (Pres, GM, Owner) behing him, both in terms of keeping him in his place and moving the organization in a way that compliments his strengths.
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6/24/2006  2:54 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

This season went the way it did becuase the Knicks are made up of malcontents who also happen to be gutless. Couple that with Brown and his antics and you have what we had.

No need to try and down play Larry's antics. They were just as much on par with the level of the Malcontents.

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6/24/2006  9:38 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by nyk4ever:

This season went the way it did becuase the Knicks are made up of malcontents who also happen to be gutless. Couple that with Brown and his antics and you have what we had.

No need to try and down play Larry's antics. They were just as much on par with the level of the Malcontents.

On the mark. I have never loved Larry's style but I loved what he preached. I give you a point for your comment, but just as a rebuttal, as on par with the "malcontents" as LB's antics were, he has still won games doing things the exact same way he did them here. That is more than I can say for the "malcontents".
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6/24/2006  10:26 PM
Why we did so poorly is simple... we sucked.

Hopefully we'll suck less next year.
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6/24/2006  10:52 PM
Posted by martin:


How about this: he [insert player] is terrible for a bad team that is rebuilding without a strong management team (Pres, GM, Owner, Coach) behind him, both in terms of keeping him in his place and moving the organization in a way that compliments his strengths.

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6/24/2006  10:54 PM
Posted by joec32033:

On the mark. I have never loved Larry's style but I loved what he preached. I give you a point for your comment, but just as a rebuttal, as on par with the "malcontents" as LB's antics were, he has still won games doing things the exact same way he did them here. That is more than I can say for the "malcontents".

I just never remember him previously using a record number of lineups, starting players based on home town or call a player dillusional. edit - all in the first year

I gotta ask my philly buddies.

[Edited by - rvhoss on 06-24-2006 10:54 PM]

[Edited by - rvhoss on 06-24-2006 10:55 PM]
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6/25/2006  5:08 AM
Posted by rvhoss:
Posted by joec32033:

On the mark. I have never loved Larry's style but I loved what he preached. I give you a point for your comment, but just as a rebuttal, as on par with the "malcontents" as LB's antics were, he has still won games doing things the exact same way he did them here. That is more than I can say for the "malcontents".

I just never remember him previously using a record number of lineups, starting players based on home town or call a player dillusional. edit - all in the first year

I gotta ask my philly buddies.

[Edited by - rvhoss on 06-24-2006 10:54 PM]

[Edited by - rvhoss on 06-24-2006 10:55 PM]


He did do the starting players in their home towns quite a bit. Now obviously I don't intent to be taken too literally here-my point is that he always had guys that were clearly starters and clearly subs (IMO, he didn't have that here) and we have to remember this record lineup thing was from him with only 2 positions. Marbury, and Curry started every game they could, and if I remember correctly Q was also a constant starter when his injuries allowed him to be).

Larry used to call out AI all the time. Same with Chauncy. Larry is always toughest on the players he thinks are the best, IMO, he is of the belief the more fire it goes through the stronger the steel. Problem is this Knicks team is made of tin foil.
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6/25/2006  11:38 AM
The answer is simple.
This organization has no direction and no culture of success.
All the rest - bad trades, Brown, Isaiah, Marbs... is just coming from this.
The people who are running it are only concerned about politics, media, personal egos not about basketball, fans, winning...
Typical corporate culture of our days when corporations do not care about Country, consumers, employees...

And the end of the line – bankruptcy ... moral and financial…

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6/25/2006  7:50 PM
Posted by arkrud:

The answer is simple.
This organization has no direction and no culture of success.
All the rest - bad trades, Brown, Isaiah, Marbs... is just coming from this.
The people who are running it are only concerned about politics, media, personal egos not about basketball, fans, winning...
Typical corporate culture of our days when corporations do not care about Country, consumers, employees...

And the end of the line – bankruptcy ... moral and financial…

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6/25/2006  10:54 PM
That's why he shouldn't get paid. He coached in bad faith.
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6/25/2006  11:12 PM
Posted by Rich:

That's why he shouldn't get paid. He coached in bad faith.

And many people here are more or less, quite alright with that. Iswear I don't get it.
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6/25/2006  11:38 PM
get this: zeke had no business hiring larry brown from get-go regardless of his record. that stunt he pulled in detroit should've had the light bulb on in zeke's mind. instead zeke gambled and now zeke has to make a run for the ages

also get this: we don't have to worry about zeke's coaching selection anymore
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6/25/2006  11:41 PM
Maybe Dolan was the driving force behind hiring Larry?
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6/25/2006  11:55 PM
Posted by Rich:

Maybe Dolan was the driving force behind hiring Larry?

possible

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6/26/2006  12:01 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:

It was just a bad vibe season. Hindsight is 20/20, but hiring Larry Brown was clearly a mistake. He was a bad fit for this team, then he over-estimated the power of his Juice Card.

now that larry limelight has been given the "not wanted" sign can larry be considered a bad vibe coach

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