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rvhoss
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6/23/2006  10:47 AM
Just jokes mods...but it does look real.

http://theword.wordofmouth.org/knicks/ultimate.php

and for enyspree
http://theword.wordofmouth.org/knicks/ultimate2.php

[Edited by - rvhoss on 06-23-2006 10:59 AM]
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6/23/2006  10:53 AM
haha that's good
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6/23/2006  10:54 AM
while I'm still on this page, an interesting read from Newsday:
Execs: Larry’s tactics strange
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-spkreax234792875jun23%2C0%2C706110.story?coll=ny-knicks-print

GREENBURGH, N.Y. - No one on the Knicks publicly questioned Larry Brown's motives last season when he used an NBA-record 42 different starting lineups, but after they finished with a 23-59 record, some wondered if he lost sight of wins and losses because he was consumed with changing the roster Isiah Thomas put together.

Watching from a distance, two top-ranking NBA team executives admitted they were puzzled by some of Brown's moves.

"He got real wacky," one of the executives said of Brown. According to the executive, an agent for one Knicks player told him the player "thought Larry was doing things on purpose to sabotage the team sometimes. Some of the stuff he was doing didn't make any sense."

It was no secret that Brown and point guard Stephon Marbury didn't get along, dating to their differences on the 2004 U.S. Olympic team. But Marbury had plenty of company as the target for Brown's criticism. It quickly became obvious that Brown wanted to make wholesale changes, just as he did with seven other NBA teams that all improved under his direction.

"Larry did not buy into Isiah's philosophy," the first NBA executive said. "He tried to crush Isiah early on, saying, 'This is a terrible team, the players are no good.'

"Then Isiah turned around, and who knows what he said to Dolan behind closed doors. No owner likes to see his players ripped in the media. The value of a franchise is the asset of your players, and Larry killed them."

The second executive said the way Brown used rookie forwards Channing Frye and David Lee was "strange."

Although Brown always has favored veteran performers, the second executive said, "When they were winning, the young kids had a lot to do with it."

Frye was limited to an average of 24.2 minutes per game. "I think Larry was saying you can't win a lot of games if you put this kid in and he's got to guard all the best power forwards in the league," the second executive said. "That's probably true. But he would have gotten better. That's where I was surprised."

Lee started 13 straight games at midseason, including the six consecutive wins in January. Then Brown started him only once in the final 43 games.

"I was surprised because Lee seemed like exactly the kind of guy Larry would like," the second executive said. "That's what made me think there's something funny going on here."

Brown often said he wasn't worried about winning because that would take care of itself if his team concentrated on playing the right way. It doesn't mean he was wrong about the Knicks' flawed roster, but Brown never got the time or the right personnel to turn it around.
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6/23/2006  10:55 AM
My sig should be the Quote of the homepage!!!
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6/23/2006  10:57 AM
I read that newsday article....but I didn't need to read it to know that was true.....I got two eyes.
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6/23/2006  10:58 AM
I saw that, it was great, but ... okay okay:
http://theword.wordofmouth.org/knicks/ultimate2.php
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rvhoss
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6/23/2006  10:58 AM
yeah, I think eeryone brown wanted gone (with the exception of marbury) will be gone in 3 years. (is marbury expiring in 3 years?)
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6/23/2006  10:59 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

while I'm still on this page, an interesting read from Newsday:
Execs: Larry’s tactics strange
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-spkreax234792875jun23%2C0%2C706110.story?coll=ny-knicks-print

GREENBURGH, N.Y. - No one on the Knicks publicly questioned Larry Brown's motives last season when he used an NBA-record 42 different starting lineups, but after they finished with a 23-59 record, some wondered if he lost sight of wins and losses because he was consumed with changing the roster Isiah Thomas put together.

Watching from a distance, two top-ranking NBA team executives admitted they were puzzled by some of Brown's moves.

"He got real wacky," one of the executives said of Brown. According to the executive, an agent for one Knicks player told him the player "thought Larry was doing things on purpose to sabotage the team sometimes. Some of the stuff he was doing didn't make any sense."

It was no secret that Brown and point guard Stephon Marbury didn't get along, dating to their differences on the 2004 U.S. Olympic team. But Marbury had plenty of company as the target for Brown's criticism. It quickly became obvious that Brown wanted to make wholesale changes, just as he did with seven other NBA teams that all improved under his direction.

"Larry did not buy into Isiah's philosophy," the first NBA executive said. "He tried to crush Isiah early on, saying, 'This is a terrible team, the players are no good.'

"Then Isiah turned around, and who knows what he said to Dolan behind closed doors. No owner likes to see his players ripped in the media. The value of a franchise is the asset of your players, and Larry killed them."

The second executive said the way Brown used rookie forwards Channing Frye and David Lee was "strange."

Although Brown always has favored veteran performers, the second executive said, "When they were winning, the young kids had a lot to do with it."

Frye was limited to an average of 24.2 minutes per game. "I think Larry was saying you can't win a lot of games if you put this kid in and he's got to guard all the best power forwards in the league," the second executive said. "That's probably true. But he would have gotten better. That's where I was surprised."

Lee started 13 straight games at midseason, including the six consecutive wins in January. Then Brown started him only once in the final 43 games.

"I was surprised because Lee seemed like exactly the kind of guy Larry would like," the second executive said. "That's what made me think there's something funny going on here."

Brown often said he wasn't worried about winning because that would take care of itself if his team concentrated on playing the right way. It doesn't mean he was wrong about the Knicks' flawed roster, but Brown never got the time or the right personnel to turn it around.

Logan told me to tell you that the 2 top-ranking NBA team executives were Isiah and Mills.
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6/23/2006  11:00 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

My sig should be the Quote of the homepage!!!

your sig indicates that you are wearing the skirt since being a "fan" of this team and how it operates is the same as lifting up your skirt and bending over.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-23-2006 11:03 AM]
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6/23/2006  11:02 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

I saw that, it was great, but ... okay okay:
http://theword.wordofmouth.org/knicks/ultimate2.php

nice!!!
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6/23/2006  11:05 AM
ROFLMAO!

It's funny because it's true.
Posted by martin:


Logan told me to tell you that the 2 top-ranking NBA team executives were Isiah and Mills.

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6/23/2006  11:07 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by EnySpree:

My sig should be the Quote of the homepage!!!

you're sig indicates that you are wearing the skirt since being a "fan" of this team and how it operates is the same as lifting up your skirt and bending over.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-23-2006 11:01 AM]



Budum bum.....



I know you are but what am I.....

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6/23/2006  11:25 AM
LOL. That's funny RV. I think everyone pretty much knows already but I put that in my sig because what Holfresh said would basically take an act of god to occur.

Me and Holfresh quibble over pretty much everything and I don't think I've agreed with him anything but I like the guy, he has a viewpoint and he sticks to it no matter what and that makes him fun to argue with. Stuff like this is what makes this forum the best Knicks forum around.
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6/23/2006  11:33 AM
I couldn't have said it better myself...this may truly be the best knick season EVER.

I can see bashing coaches, I never understood bashing GMs, so now Isles fan may actually have a leg to stand on.

I read a quote today that said that knicks were moving in a direction with the players they acquired and stopped that direction when they hired Larry.

I think that direction was more uptempo and playing bball like a pick up game.

During the season, that may win games, but come playoff time I think having Curry and Frye and QRich and Marbury and Crawford will be a big advantage because plays like pick and rolls (marbs/frye), fee the post (curry), find the open jumper off a double team (QRich)
and break down the defense by getting in the paint and getting to the line (crawford) are all playoff basketball traits.

When we need to bring in the hustle team to spell the starters, we will see a ambidextrous rebound getting lose ball gobbling David Lee, a lane filling 360 degree dunking QWoods and a three point shooting mini-me dunking Nate change the tempo to something crazy abusing the other teams second unit.
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6/24/2006  7:35 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

I read that newsday article....but I didn't need to read it to know that was true.....I got two eyes.

So do the Brownites.....they just lack brains.
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6/24/2006  8:43 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by EnySpree:

I read that newsday article....but I didn't need to read it to know that was true.....I got two eyes.

So do the Brownites.....they just lack brains.

Keep trying to make your point by disparaging us.
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6/24/2006  8:56 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by EnySpree:

I read that newsday article....but I didn't need to read it to know that was true.....I got two eyes.

So do the Brownites.....they just lack brains.

^yup...you don't get more pompous than that.....if you can't change their opinion you'll just insult them...Why? 'Cuz it makes you feel better. Come on man, you're a better poster than that.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 06-24-2006 9:39 PM]
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6/24/2006  9:38 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

LOL. That's funny RV. I think everyone pretty much knows already but I put that in my sig because what Holfresh said would basically take an act of god to occur.

Me and Holfresh quibble over pretty much everything and I don't think I've agreed with him anything but I like the guy, he has a viewpoint and he sticks to it no matter what and that makes him fun to argue with. Stuff like this is what makes this forum the best Knicks forum around.



Well I glad you are enjoying all this, so am I...We do have something in common and thats the Knicks...By the way, obviosly with you using my quote as a signature, you are assuming I'll fall flat on my face...If I turn out to be right,and the odds are against me..See Codeunknown piece in another thread, you better change your signiture to "HOLFRESH IS THE MAN AND KNOWS HIS BASKETBALL" for the same amount of time you have the current signature...

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6/24/2006  9:49 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

Just jokes mods...but it does look real.

http://theword.wordofmouth.org/knicks/ultimate.php

and for enyspree
http://theword.wordofmouth.org/knicks/ultimate2.php

[Edited by - rvhoss on 06-23-2006 10:59 AM]



Funny stuff!!!

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6/24/2006  10:00 PM
How's this?
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Holfresh's quote (and nyk4evers sig) made the UK home page.

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