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O/T: What are the Yankees' options & what would they cost?
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TMS
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6/21/2006  11:46 AM
option A: stand pat & wait for Matsui, Sheff, Pavano & Dotel to join the roster for a stretch run

- the problem w/this option is that teams like Boston & Toronto most likely will NOT stand pat, & so if you want to keep pace w/them, a deal maybe necessary... also, you are basing your hopes on players who are all coming back from significant injuries & rehab, so who knows what you'll get from any of them? it's a crapshoot option at best.

option B: trade for a top quality starter

- the problem w/this option is Cashman will not trade Wang, Cano or Hughes, so there's no way the Yankees can target any of the top guys like Dontrelle, Hudson, Prior, Schmidt, Smoltz, etc.

option C: trade for a 2nd tier starter

- seems like a good option if you can get an innings eater like a Jon Lieber (once he comes back from the DL) for lesser prospects, but w/the Phillies in need of pitching, i don't know if they'd be willing to make that deal unless they're just completely out of the race by the trade deadline, which they're fast on their way of becoming right now... another guy in this class maybe someone like Eric Milton from the Reds (7 IP in 6 of his 9 starts - tho i'm not crazy about him at all), or a Livan Hernandez from the Nationals... the Yanks could easily get guys of this level w/the tradeable assets they have in the minors, but it's not the slamdunk move to put the team above their rivals in the Pennant race.

option D: trade for a big bat

- guys like Soriano, Abreu, Burrell, Huff, Crawford will take trading your top prospects... will George force Cashman's hand? so far, it looks like Cashman is the one in control now, so i don't see a move like this going down, unless there were some solid pitching included as part of the package (like a Soriano/Livan type deal)

option E: trade for a 2nd tier OFer

- the Yankees can easily fill their stopgap need in the OF by trading for a guy like Jacque Jones (putting up solid #'s now w/the Cubs), but he's signed to a longterm deal... Reggie Sanders' name has been widely talked about, but do the Yankees want to take on the 2nd year remaining on the contract of an older player? of course, there's always the Ken Griffey, Jr. option, but his contract & the fact that he's so injury prone are huge drawbacks that i don't think the new Yankees' thinking would agree to... that's the type of trade the Yankees of a couple years ago would have made w/o blinking an eyelash.

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So which option(s) do you say are the best ways to go for the Yankees in their current situation? Consider the cost of each option & the potential risks/rewards before you answer.
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6/21/2006  11:51 AM
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6/21/2006  12:48 PM
the reason he wont trade Wang is because he IS a frontline starter.

I think some of it depends on next year's plans as well. If they are dead set to go after Andrew Jones and move Damon to a corner then you are less worried about a young guy like Melky.

The only guys I really see as viable options to aquire are Soriano and Zito, as both are in walk years and neither is likely to resign with their current team. I'm staying away from ANY National league pitchers at this point. I would be willing to give up Melky, Philips and Small for Zito or Soriano, if one of those teams wants to get something for them. Otherwise I just pass. Our farmsystem is loaded right now for the next couple years, and its just not worth dumping these guys. IMO its time for the Randy's and ARods to carry their freakin weight and do their jobs. If it doesnt happen it doesnt happen.
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6/21/2006  1:00 PM
Pitching, pitching, pitching... do I have to repeat it again?

We absolutely do not need hitting.

We need some YOUNG, UNINJURY PRONE, STARS. I never liked the Kevin Brown deal nor the Randy Johnson deal. We need a stud like Johan Santana, hell I'd rather have El Duque than Randy Johnson even if its just for the playoffs, El Duque is clutch in the playoffs.

And we need some middlemen cause I hate having Rivera pitch 2 innings cause we pay for it during playoffs.
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6/21/2006  1:03 PM
Me personally, I go with option B and I go for a guy like Dontrelle Willis using a package surrounding Cano as bait. Listen, I know Cano is good and I like him but we're talking about the D-Train here. You gotta give to get. Thought long and hard about this and I've been taking a lot of heat from my boys about dangling Cano out there to bring back a pime-time pitcher but my question is, when you get right down to it, what is Cano exactly?
(1) Is he a top of the order guy, 1-2 in the order? No. He's not patient at all, not a guy that's ever gonna work the count, hit to the opposite field to move a runner or lay down an important bunt, and he's really kinda on the slow side for a young player.
(2) Is he a guy you want protecting say an A-Rod or Giambi at around 5th in the order? Not exactly. He can hit but I don't think he's ever gonna be that bigtime power threat (even as a lefty with the short porch at home - though I do think he can be a 40+ double type-guy) and Torre knows it, evident by still keeping Cano in the lower part of the order despite the loses of Sheff and Matsui.
So what is he? He's trade bait, that's what. But only for a YOUNG & HEALTHY FRONTLINE PITCHER. He's a guy that's a .280/.290 hitter with some gap power and a pretty damn smooth looking fielder to be fair (he's a better fielder than I first thought to be honest). Again I like him a lot. He's probably gonna make the all-star team and rightly so. But for me, I'm glad he's playing well. Glad Melky's playing well too for that matter (though he's hit the wall a little bit of late). The time is right to include these guys in a trade. Their stock is high right now. There might be a time when we might never be able to get even a bag of rocks for guys like Cano and Melky Cabrera, bottom line. For me Cano's replaceable. There will always be a guy like a Rafael Furcal on the market and the Yankees have deep pockets. Plus, we have decent low-level prospects like CJ Henry or Marcos Vechionacci who might be ready to take over 2B in a few years. Until then, if we deal Cano, Cairo takes over. All he did was hit .290 as an everday second baseman a couple of years ago for us. I love Cairo and I'm glad he's back with us. So I wouldn't exactly cry my eyes out if we dealt Cano for a big pitcher...

There's no way I'm dealing an established pitcher for another pitcher, so forget dealing Wang. Or even Hughes for that matter. Get back to building it around pitching. Young pitching. The rest will take care of itself. Dontrelle Willis is having a bad year, and who knows why. It's gotta be hard as hell coming to the ballpark every day when Florida had their big fire sale of all their good players before the season even began. They basically threw all there players on the front lawn with price tags like a friggin yard sale. Maybe that's it. Maybe it's really hard for Willis to get up for these games. He's knows they're gonna deal him. Or maybe he's got some bigtime mechanic problems that they just don't care to fix (why try to straighten him out when they have no intention of resigning him? Why straighten him out for another team?). Who knows. I look at him as a 24-year-old LEFTHANDER AT YANKEE STADIUM who can win 150-200 games over the next 10 years for us! And for me that's worth dealing a still unknown quantity in Cano.

Only problem with all this D-Train stuff is Cano's gonna want a nice contract also, especially if he finishes the year over .300 and we all know Florida doesn't want to pay anyone; they've turned into the Montreal Expos for God's sake. Plus, the Marlins current 2nd baseman doesn't look too shabby: some guy named Dan Uggla is hitting .313 with 13 dingers.

No problem. If we get the D-Train, we get him. If not, chin up, and go get a Bigtime pitcher Cashman! Imagine the score tied 2-2 bottom 7. Willis against Big Papi. Man I would love to see that.

Finally, is it me or can no one else believe we didn't show any interest in Scott Sauerbeck who was just released?!? What the hell. I know he was just in a little bit of trouble of late but come on... With all of our bullpen woes of late, he could've helped bigtime! Much better option then Villone. Whatever... What about that guy Mike Holtz? Formerly with the Angels, he was with Boston earlier this year but I think they released him. Again, a lefty that throws hard enough with a good curveball. Another good option and better than Villone. It's all about the pitching I tell ya!!!!!

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6/21/2006  2:20 PM
Posted by fishmike:

the reason he wont trade Wang is because he IS a frontline starter.

I think some of it depends on next year's plans as well. If they are dead set to go after Andrew Jones and move Damon to a corner then you are less worried about a young guy like Melky.

The only guys I really see as viable options to aquire are Soriano and Zito, as both are in walk years and neither is likely to resign with their current team. I'm staying away from ANY National league pitchers at this point. I would be willing to give up Melky, Philips and Small for Zito or Soriano, if one of those teams wants to get something for them. Otherwise I just pass. Our farmsystem is loaded right now for the next couple years, and its just not worth dumping these guys. IMO its time for the Randy's and ARods to carry their freakin weight and do their jobs. If it doesnt happen it doesnt happen.

nuff said....lock the thead, lol
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6/21/2006  2:35 PM
Posted by fishmike:

the reason he wont trade Wang is because he IS a frontline starter.

I think some of it depends on next year's plans as well. If they are dead set to go after Andrew Jones and move Damon to a corner then you are less worried about a young guy like Melky.

The only guys I really see as viable options to aquire are Soriano and Zito, as both are in walk years and neither is likely to resign with their current team. I'm staying away from ANY National league pitchers at this point. I would be willing to give up Melky, Philips and Small for Zito or Soriano, if one of those teams wants to get something for them. Otherwise I just pass. Our farmsystem is loaded right now for the next couple years, and its just not worth dumping these guys. IMO its time for the Randy's and ARods to carry their freakin weight and do their jobs. If it doesnt happen it doesnt happen.


Small's been released... he's no longer a Yankee... he was crap this year anyway... he'll be lucky if someone signs him period.

as for Zito, the cost for him will be prohibitive... the A's are in 1st place & there's no way they trade Zito unless they get back Wang & Cano, which the Yankees would never ever do.

a Duncan & Melky package would probably be good enough for Soriano though... i'm hesitant to trade away Melky though... i like his defense in LF & getting rid of him would only leave another hole in the OF until Matsui or Sheff returned... Bernie's been great this year, but he can't play everyday... i suppose you could platoon him & Bubba in RF, but Soriano's range in the OF is not good, so playing him in RF would be my choice since YS has a short porch & he won't have to worry much about balls flying over his head.
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Posted by Finestrg:

Me personally, I go with option B and I go for a guy like Dontrelle Willis using a package surrounding Cano as bait. Listen, I know Cano is good and I like him but we're talking about the D-Train here. You gotta give to get. Thought long and hard about this and I've been taking a lot of heat from my boys about dangling Cano out there to bring back a pime-time pitcher but my question is, when you get right down to it, what is Cano exactly?
(1) Is he a top of the order guy, 1-2 in the order? No. He's not patient at all, not a guy that's ever gonna work the count, hit to the opposite field to move a runner or lay down an important bunt, and he's really kinda on the slow side for a young player.
(2) Is he a guy you want protecting say an A-Rod or Giambi at around 5th in the order? Not exactly. He can hit but I don't think he's ever gonna be that bigtime power threat (even as a lefty with the short porch at home - though I do think he can be a 40+ double type-guy) and Torre knows it, evident by still keeping Cano in the lower part of the order despite the loses of Sheff and Matsui.
So what is he? He's trade bait, that's what. But only for a YOUNG & HEALTHY FRONTLINE PITCHER. He's a guy that's a .280/.290 hitter with some gap power and a pretty damn smooth looking fielder to be fair (he's a better fielder than I first thought to be honest). Again I like him a lot. He's probably gonna make the all-star team and rightly so. But for me, I'm glad he's playing well. Glad Melky's playing well too for that matter (though he's hit the wall a little bit of late). The time is right to include these guys in a trade. Their stock is high right now. There might be a time when we might never be able to get even a bag of rocks for guys like Cano and Melky Cabrera, bottom line. For me Cano's replaceable. There will always be a guy like a Rafael Furcal on the market and the Yankees have deep pockets. Plus, we have decent low-level prospects like CJ Henry or Marcos Vechionacci who might be ready to take over 2B in a few years. Until then, if we deal Cano, Cairo takes over. All he did was hit .290 as an everday second baseman a couple of years ago for us. I love Cairo and I'm glad he's back with us. So I wouldn't exactly cry my eyes out if we dealt Cano for a big pitcher...

There's no way I'm dealing an established pitcher for another pitcher, so forget dealing Wang. Or even Hughes for that matter. Get back to building it around pitching. Young pitching. The rest will take care of itself. Dontrelle Willis is having a bad year, and who knows why. It's gotta be hard as hell coming to the ballpark every day when Florida had their big fire sale of all their good players before the season even began. They basically threw all there players on the front lawn with price tags like a friggin yard sale. Maybe that's it. Maybe it's really hard for Willis to get up for these games. He's knows they're gonna deal him. Or maybe he's got some bigtime mechanic problems that they just don't care to fix (why try to straighten him out when they have no intention of resigning him? Why straighten him out for another team?). Who knows. I look at him as a 24-year-old LEFTHANDER AT YANKEE STADIUM who can win 150-200 games over the next 10 years for us! And for me that's worth dealing a still unknown quantity in Cano.

Only problem with all this D-Train stuff is Cano's gonna want a nice contract also, especially if he finishes the year over .300 and we all know Florida doesn't want to pay anyone; they've turned into the Montreal Expos for God's sake. Plus, the Marlins current 2nd baseman doesn't look too shabby: some guy named Dan Uggla is hitting .313 with 13 dingers.

No problem. If we get the D-Train, we get him. If not, chin up, and go get a Bigtime pitcher Cashman! Imagine the score tied 2-2 bottom 7. Willis against Big Papi. Man I would love to see that.

Finally, is it me or can no one else believe we didn't show any interest in Scott Sauerbeck who was just released?!? What the hell. I know he was just in a little bit of trouble of late but come on... With all of our bullpen woes of late, he could've helped bigtime! Much better option then Villone. Whatever... What about that guy Mike Holtz? Formerly with the Angels, he was with Boston earlier this year but I think they released him. Again, a lefty that throws hard enough with a good curveball. Another good option and better than Villone. It's all about the pitching I tell ya!!!!!

ouch, trade Cano? i don't think i'd do it... he's 22 yrs old & already an Allstar calibre player... either way, i don't think Cano by himself will get you back D Train... the DBacks will ask for Hughes & Cano at the very least, & there's no way i do that.

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6/21/2006  4:06 PM
If he becomes available, Jason Schmidt is a player the Yanks should go after. However, under no circumstance should they trade Hughes. They have some other solid righty starters in the minors that they can part with (they also loaded up on RHP in the draft).
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6/21/2006  4:40 PM
right now Dontrell is a one year wonder. Ask Pavano and Becket how things are in the AL. Ask Aroyo and Derrick Lowe how things are in the NL.
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6/21/2006  6:25 PM
right now Dontrell is a one year wonder.

Yeah I still am not sold on Dontrelle. I believe he is not that young and he already had Tommy John surgery, he is no spring chicken.

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