1) I hated the trade from day one. I said I wouldn't have done it and I maintained that even when Nene picked up a groin strain and when Camby re-injured his hip. McDyess was just too much of an injury risk in my mind, to trade our only conceivable center, our starting PG and our future for. I was one of those chanting "FIRE LAYDEN," not at the announcement that we got Nene on draft day, but that we traded him to the Nuggets.

2) What happened this offseason? There were talks of Keon Clark coming here, maybe Jerome James, even Michael Olowokandi, though all were long shots. What did we end up with? Michael F'ing Doleac. Great.

3) Kurt's 6-8 or 6-9. No taller than that. He's our biggest starter. Ouch. The smallest team in the league just got smaller. And we're probably still the oldest team too.

4) Spree is going to absolutely tear it up this season, as a KNICK. He's going nowhere. No one wants him. He'll play in a Knick uni and have his best season yet in the Orange and Blue. Just you watch. He's pissed, he's gonna go nuts. He figures we suck anyway so he may as well just be even more single-minded on offense.

5) My fourth point is not necessarily a good thing, in the long run. Just like that Dice trade was a bad move, for the long run. We needed to completely rebuild, not just re-tool. We still need to, but it will be even harder to do so now. We won't be getting 7th or better pick in this year's draft. That means no LeBron. I told you, Spree iis going to go nuts and lead us to too many wins for us to get a good pick.

6) Fire Layden.

Posted by MCfan23:

1) I hated the trade from day one. I said I wouldn't have done it and I maintained that even when Nene picked up a groin strain and when Camby re-injured his hip. McDyess was just too much of an injury risk in my mind, to trade our only conceivable center, our starting PG and our future for. I was one of those chanting "FIRE LAYDEN," not at the announcement that we got Nene on draft day, but that we traded him to the Nuggets.

2) What happened this offseason? There were talks of Keon Clark coming here, maybe Jerome James, even Michael Olowokandi, though all were long shots. What did we end up with? Michael F'ing Doleac. Great.

3) Kurt's 6-8 or 6-9. No taller than that. He's our biggest starter. Ouch. The smallest team in the league just got smaller. And we're probably still the oldest team too.

4) Spree is going to absolutely tear it up this season, as a KNICK. He's going nowhere. No one wants him. He'll play in a Knick uni and have his best season yet in the Orange and Blue. Just you watch. He's pissed, he's gonna go nuts. He figures we suck anyway so he may as well just be even more single-minded on offense.

5) My fourth point is not necessarily a good thing, in the long run. Just like that Dice trade was a bad move, for the long run. We needed to completely rebuild, not just re-tool. We still need to, but it will be even harder to do so now. We won't be getting 7th or better pick in this year's draft. That means no LeBron. I told you, Spree iis going to go nuts and lead us to too many wins for us to get a good pick.

6) Fire Layden.

Wow dude, I agree that the knicks need to re-build, but how can you knock the Camby/Mcdyees trade? Camby is so weak, he is such a candy ass. Mark Jackson is DONE and anyone who watched knick games last year knows that. besides having no jump shot he can't guard anyone! in this day and age of scoring pg's you need a capable defender at the point. Dyess is 28 years old! This trade can't be judged yet, there is still a good chance that dyess will return and give the knicks 4-5 all-star calibur years. let's just hope he is able to work hard and get himself healthy. the jury is still out on this trade, it's easy to say it was a bad move now, but let's not pass judgement just yet.
Olowokandi was never a realistic option, keon clark is a cancer and seattle paid james a lot of bank, I agree with the knicks for not paying him that kind of money. unfortunatley for us knicks fans, doleac is what we are left with.......damn that sucks

expect the same with spree.......35 one night 12 the next.....12-17 one night 3-16 the next. expect sparadic brilliance but inconsostent performance, but he is the best chacne we have

oh.......layden should be fired, i do agree with that

it's easy to say it was a bad move now, but let's not pass judgement just yet.

I said it was a bad move the day it happened.

I know Camby is weak and Jax is nowhere near as good as he used to be, but Dice is hardly a tower of strength and we could have got a little something for Jackson.

And Nene is already a beast, with the potential to be a more skillful, better shooting version of Ben Wallace. We cou;d've built around him, and I'm pissed that we didn't.

I totally disagree. Yes it would be nice to have a better point guard. But you should not build your team around a point guard. So Jason Kidd made it to the finals. He lost!!! And who won the finals for the last three years with three different point guards running the show. The Lakers. And before that. The Spurs with Avery Johnson running the show. And when the knicks made it to the finals who were their point guards. Chris Childs and Charlie Ward. Not exactly all-stars. You still have to build a team around a dominant post player. With either the center or power forward position. Name the last team that has won a championship with an all-star point guard. Magic Johnson and he is a 6'9 point guard. And truly one of the greatest players in the world. I don't think Jason Williams will solve the knicks problems. He may not be the best point guard on the Bulls and he hasn't even proven himself in this league.

If you can't rebound and defend the post you don't have to worry about point guards because they will never get the ball. So stop worrying about the point guards and start worrying about getting a dominant post player. Give away half the team for Jason Williams!?!?!?!? Ok Scott Layden Jr.

Damager has a point about the boards. If you don't dominate in rebounds, you probably don't win. In every Finals, the close ones are decided by a halfcourt duel, with difficult shots being attempted. The RODMANS, ROBINSONS and OAKLEYS of the world have proven how important glass-cleaners are to a title contender. Avery Johnson, Ron Harper- average-but-competent pg's.

Yes we did have Patrick Ewing but that is all we had. He had no help. Jordan had Pipen. Duncan had Robinson. Shaq has Kobe. Magic even had Kareem. Ewing was by himself. He had a cba player in John Starks as the next best player. All I'm saying is you can't build a team starting with a point guard. We have a dominant post player in McDyess. So we could get any bum center. We have three scorers on the team with McDyess, Houston and Sprewell. If Ewing had any of these players in his prime the Knicks would have numerous championships. Not just two dominant players but three dominant scores.

If we add a point guard like Van X or Kidd we would have to trade away someone. Think about it.

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