Posted by knicks1248:

This franchise is in so much of a dismal state it's hard to even think about what kind of players we have and what we need. Obviously Larry was not the cure to all of our defensive woes, and IT won't be the answer either.

It's just amazing how you can possible think about any possible trades or aquistions without incuding the coach who's going to run the team. IT is clearly not the most reliable coach, we have undisirable players that we will only recieve more bloated contracts or declining skilled players, we have a baffled coaching staff of about a 100 different minds, I mean damn...My fkng team is a complete disaster with only a slither of hope, a slither......

I for one believe that this roster in it's self is a playoff roster, and anybody with a sense of basketball knowledge can see that. But the system we use ain't for every player If larry would utilze the guys he had and not humilate them after every game, and capitilze on there strengths, He wouldn't be getting humilated himself.

This picture was played out the first day of his hiring when every single media outlet predicted a disfunctional season on the rise Not even the most pessimistic creep you know could have fathom this in there wildest dream let alone the die hards.

For me it's been hard to even think if we get a top five player by trade or aquistion ( hypethetically speaking)we would be much better. This team would still suck base on some of the apples in the bunch who are simply going to be hard to replace.

Posted by rvhoss:

this is a playoff roster.
Marbs, Crawford, JRose, Frye, Curry do not all need the ball in their hands, heck jrose played with vincanity.

MoT and franchise are garbarge and shouldn't be considered, but my elite 8 are basically elite role players at the moment.

Currently Larry is being treated the way he treated his players, if larry is the boss of his players, than he can say whatever he wants about them and treat them anyway he wants, same goes for Dolan, he's the boss, he can say (or not say) whatever he wants about brown and treat him however he wants.

What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. (sp).

And stop bashing this team, we have players that can do a lot of different things and do them well too...we just weren't allowed to see it and for some reason some of you really really hate the current roster and get off bashing it to pieces.

Channing Frye, David Lee, Eddy Curry, Jackie Butler, Q Woods, Q Richardson, Nate Robinson and Jamal Crawford.

You say you like the young guys, these are the young guys...8 solid players when used properly.

I once again, left off the obvious punching bags (one bad apple, another obsessive slight at marbs), but sprinkle Jrose and marbury into that bunch...I see a playoff team when used even remotely correct.

Stop bashing, start thinking.

MoT and Franchise have proved to be the ball hogginess of the bunch, they will be gone. Marbury shares to ball, hate him all you want, but he gets his teammates shots. Jrose, we know he's good with ball movement.

the rest are kids. let them grow. STOP BASHING MY KIDS!!!

read it again haters.

Posted by newyorknewyork:

You guys are both right.

What we need is more young players that compliment the other young guys. We need rebounders shotblockers at SF & backup C to compliment Curry & Frye. We need a pure pass first PG who looks to set up the others. Plays defense, and can hit the 3 to compliment the combo guards.

All the while getting rid of the rest to balance out the roster, cut the salary, and get rid of any characters.

Posted by knicks1248:

Posted by Bippity10:

Knicks: I'm confused are you saying that Dice, Van Horn, Nazy and TT didn't win here because the coach's didn't get the most of them. I think our environment and roster had more to do with that. I think these guys accepted their roles because they went to winning situations were accepting a role was the only choice. Dice was a superstar and accepted a behind the scenes role for both LB and Saunders. Here there is no standard. Noone accepts roles, they complain for more and then we fire the coach and give it to them.

I do agree that it doesn't make sense to throw LB with a run and gun roster. But the move was made to create a splash and divert attention. Nothing else.

I just find it disturbing that no matter how bad we get people still buy this malarky that we are a coach or a player away from being a contender. We are only a player and a coach away if we develop some continuity, idea of team and set a standard where the coach runs the show. Until then we can bring in Tim Duncan and he will be complaining about when he gets paid.

No one is excepting there role simply becuase there not succeeding in the role your giving them, when U put dice out there as a savior who's coming off two major ops, or TT who was a mental mess from off the court issues, KVH who actually played better then he had in years, Nazy who you prety much wanted him to be a shot blocker, athletic, rebounder ( in which he was never any of the above) you setting yourself up for trouble. Not to mention a lame duck Coach ( chaney) an old school coach (lenny) both who were lacking any real credabilty.

As far as being a coach and a player or two away from success, it has happen in many many cases so you can't exactly rule that out.

No I agree with you. that comes down to the whole team concept. We just gather names and hope they mesh instead of finding players putting them into a role and finding complimentary players for them. But I think this has been more of a managment issue than a coach issue.

As for the player or two away. Read my post again. I said WE are not a player or two away. The reason is not because it can't be done but because we have created an atmosphere of losing, getting paid, and every man against themselves. Until the atmosphere changes here guys will not come here to play basketball. They will instead bicker, complain about systems, not play together, not feed off each other and we will continue to see good players get sucked into the abyss.

I've said it a million times it is not the players. It is not the coach's. It is the atmospher of losing that continues to hang over this organization. It has an effect on every move we make and every ball we shoot. Until we change this and place a leader in charge and give him full power and support him 100% we are not one player away. We are a decade away.