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djsunyc
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6/6/2006  1:31 PM 

1  Wizards   	Kwame Brown
2  Clippers   	Tyson Chandler
3  Hawks   	Pau Gasol
4  Bulls   	Eddy Curry
5  Warriors   	Jason Richardson
6  Grizzlies   	Shane Battier
7  Nets   	Eddie Griffin
8  Cavaliers   	DeSagana Diop
9  Pistons   	Rodney White
10 Celtics   	Joe Johnson
11 Celtics      Kedrick Brown
12 SuperSonics  Vladimir Radmanovic
13 Rockets   	Richard Jefferson
14 Warriors     Troy Murphy
15 Magic   	Steven Hunter
16 Hornets   	Kirk Haston
17 Raptors   	Michael Bradley
18 Rockets      Jason Collins
19 Portland     Zach Randolph
20 Cavaliers    Brendan Haywood
21 Celtics      Joseph Forte
22 Magic        Jeryl Sasser
23 Rockets      Brandon Armstrong
24 Jazz   	Raul Lopez
25 Kings   	Gerald Wallace
26 76ers   	Samuel Dalembert
27 Grizzlies    Jamaal Tinsley
28 Spurs   	Tony Parker
29 Timberwolves Forfeited*
30 Bulls   	Trenton Hassell
31 Warriors   	Gilbert Arenas
32 Magic  	Omar Cook
33 Grizzlies   	Will Solomon
34 Hawks   	Terence Morris
35 Nets   	Brian Scalabrine
36 Cavaliers   	Jeff Trepagnier
37 76ers  	Damone Brown
38 Pistons   	Mehmet Okur
39 Knicks  	Michael Wright
40 SuperSonics  Earl Watson
41 Pacers   	Jamison Brewer
42 SuperSonics 	Bobby Simmons
43 Knicks 	Eric Chenowith
44 Mavericks  	Kyle Hill
45 Bulls  	Sean Lampley
46 Timberwolves Loren Woods
47 Nuggets  	Ousmane Cisse
48 Grizzlies  	Antonis Fotsis
49 Heat   	Ken Johnson
50 Portland     Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje
51 Suns   	Alton Ford
52 Bucks   	Andre Hutson
53 Jazz   	Jarron Collins
54 Mavericks   	Kenny Satterfield
55 Kings   	Maurice Jeffers
56 Spurs  	Robertas Javtokas
57 76ers   	Alvin Jones
58 Spurs   	Bryan Bracey


[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-06-2006 1:34 PM]
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6/6/2006  1:37 PM
Question anyone in the know about this year's prospects:
Do you think any one of them will be better PG's than Tony Parker or Gilbert Arenas?

[Edited by - TMS on 06-06-2006 1:37 PM]
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6/6/2006  1:43 PM
that is the ultimate steal draft...... its a pretty good one if it was today it would prolly go like this

1. Gilbert Arenas
2. Pau Gasol
3. Tony Parker
4. Jason Richardson
5. Joe Johnson
6. Gerald Wallace
7. Mehmet Okur
8. Richard Jefferson
9. Troy Murphy
10. Eddy Curry
11. Zach Randolph
12. Tyson Chandler
13. Jamaal Tinsley
14. DeSagana Diop
15. Kwame Brown
16. Samuel Dalembert
17. Shane Battier
18. Vladimir Radmanovic
19. Steven Hunter
20. Earl Watson
21. Eddie Griffin

PS what a horrible draft for the Nets

[Edited by - elite on 06-06-2006 1:49 PM]
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6/6/2006  1:50 PM
now if THIS draft is better than THAT draft.... we are ****ed because there isnt supposed to be a player in this draft better than eddy curry who would prolly go around 10th in the 2001 draft if it was redone today
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6/6/2006  1:50 PM
2001 was actually a pretty great draft, the "experts" just got the order wrong. I would be surprised if this draft produced as many great players as 2001. Arenas went in the second round. So did Earl Watson, Bobby Simmons and Trenton Hassell.

What in the world are you looking at that says this draft will be better? oh wait, I get it, this is more bitterness about Eddy Curry. Cool.
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6/6/2006  1:59 PM
the point being that this is a DEEP draft.

if the top 10 in 2001's draft was an indication:

1  Wizards   	Kwame Brown
2  Clippers   	Tyson Chandler
3  Hawks   	Pau Gasol
4  Bulls   	Eddy Curry
5  Warriors   	Jason Richardson
6  Grizzlies   	Shane Battier
7  Nets   	Eddie Griffin
8  Cavaliers   	DeSagana Diop
9  Pistons   	Rodney White
10 Celtics   	Joe Johnson


then it can be argued going into it, it wasn't that good a draft. but since so many quality players were found throughout, it turned out to be a good one.

i feel this draft shapes up the same way...in fact, i think the top 10 will better this year and 2nd rounders will make teams.

nalod said in another thread that this draft doesn't have a franchise player to bank on. did the 2001 draft have one going into it? in fact, with the new age restrictions, there are more college players available, which means there are more experienced and coached players in the draft.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-06-2006 2:10 PM]
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6/6/2006  2:02 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

2001 was actually a pretty great draft, the "experts" just got the order wrong. I would be surprised if this draft produced as many great players as 2001. Arenas went in the second round. So did Earl Watson, Bobby Simmons and Trenton Hassell.

What in the world are you looking at that says this draft will be better? oh wait, I get it, this is more bitterness about Eddy Curry. Cool.

kwame, tyson, chandler - 3 unproven high school big men in the top 4, along with an international player in gasol and a college player in jrich.

aldridge, t2, morrison - 3 proven college players, bargnani - the international guy, and another college player in roy.
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6/6/2006  2:12 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by crzymdups:

2001 was actually a pretty great draft, the "experts" just got the order wrong. I would be surprised if this draft produced as many great players as 2001. Arenas went in the second round. So did Earl Watson, Bobby Simmons and Trenton Hassell.

What in the world are you looking at that says this draft will be better? oh wait, I get it, this is more bitterness about Eddy Curry. Cool.

kwame, tyson, chandler - 3 unproven high school big men in the top 4, along with an international player in gasol and a college player in jrich.

aldridge, t2, morrison - 3 proven college players, bargnani - the international guy, and another college player in roy.

...and I said they got the order wrong. There were dominant players up and down that draft. Jefferson, Arenas, Parker. Memhet Okur went in the second round. it was a deep deep draft.

one thing it does have in common with the current draft is there is a lot of parity at the top and good players are going to slip. there's a very real chance that 20th and 29th picks could yield some serious players.

and I'm not sold on this Bargnani kid. maybe I'm crazy.
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6/6/2006  2:12 PM
Posted by Elite:

that is the ultimate steal draft...... its a pretty good one if it was today it would prolly go like this

1. Gilbert Arenas
2. Pau Gasol
3. Tony Parker
4. Jason Richardson
5. Joe Johnson
6. Gerald Wallace
7. Mehmet Okur
8. Richard Jefferson
9. Troy Murphy
10. Eddy Curry
11. Zach Randolph
12. Tyson Chandler
13. Jamaal Tinsley
14. DeSagana Diop
15. Kwame Brown
16. Samuel Dalembert
17. Shane Battier
18. Vladimir Radmanovic
19. Steven Hunter
20. Earl Watson
21. Eddie Griffin

PS what a horrible draft for the Nets

you notice how your top 9 players are all college or international guys? not one HS player till you got to eddy at #10.
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6/6/2006  2:14 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by crzymdups:

2001 was actually a pretty great draft, the "experts" just got the order wrong. I would be surprised if this draft produced as many great players as 2001. Arenas went in the second round. So did Earl Watson, Bobby Simmons and Trenton Hassell.

What in the world are you looking at that says this draft will be better? oh wait, I get it, this is more bitterness about Eddy Curry. Cool.

kwame, tyson, chandler - 3 unproven high school big men in the top 4, along with an international player in gasol and a college player in jrich.

aldridge, t2, morrison - 3 proven college players, bargnani - the international guy, and another college player in roy.

...and I said they got the order wrong. There were dominant players up and down that draft. Jefferson, Arenas, Parker. Memhet Okur went in the second round. it was a deep deep draft.

one thing it does have in common with the current draft is there is a lot of parity at the top and good players are going to slip. there's a very real chance that 20th and 29th picks could yield some serious players.

and I'm not sold on this Bargnani kid. maybe I'm crazy.

it's not about being sold on bargnani. it's that he's getting the same hype as pau did in 2001. this draft is deep. if rajon rondo is projected in the mid 20's now, that's an indication of a deep draft.

since more college players are eligible, there will be more 2nd rounders that make the league.
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6/6/2006  2:15 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Elite:

that is the ultimate steal draft...... its a pretty good one if it was today it would prolly go like this

1. Gilbert Arenas
2. Pau Gasol
3. Tony Parker
4. Jason Richardson
5. Joe Johnson
6. Gerald Wallace
7. Mehmet Okur
8. Richard Jefferson
9. Troy Murphy
10. Eddy Curry
11. Zach Randolph
12. Tyson Chandler
13. Jamaal Tinsley
14. DeSagana Diop
15. Kwame Brown
16. Samuel Dalembert
17. Shane Battier
18. Vladimir Radmanovic
19. Steven Hunter
20. Earl Watson
21. Eddie Griffin

PS what a horrible draft for the Nets

you notice how your top 9 players are all college or international guys? not one HS player till you got to eddy at #10.

you notice how Eddy Curry is still 23 while some of the guys on that list are 27? Age is funny like that. My guess is by the time Eddy is 27 and some of those other guys are in their 30s, Eddy will move up to the top 3 or no.1.

age is funny that way. you realize how fast perception changes in this league right? perception of a players worth, ceiling, etc. People try to act like they knew Diaw would be good in Phoenix, but no one was saying that last year. Last summer everyone acted like that trade was a steal for the Hawks. A lot can change.
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6/6/2006  2:20 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Elite:

that is the ultimate steal draft...... its a pretty good one if it was today it would prolly go like this

1. Gilbert Arenas
2. Pau Gasol
3. Tony Parker
4. Jason Richardson
5. Joe Johnson
6. Gerald Wallace
7. Mehmet Okur
8. Richard Jefferson
9. Troy Murphy
10. Eddy Curry
11. Zach Randolph
12. Tyson Chandler
13. Jamaal Tinsley
14. DeSagana Diop
15. Kwame Brown
16. Samuel Dalembert
17. Shane Battier
18. Vladimir Radmanovic
19. Steven Hunter
20. Earl Watson
21. Eddie Griffin

PS what a horrible draft for the Nets

you notice how your top 9 players are all college or international guys? not one HS player till you got to eddy at #10.

you notice how Eddy Curry is still 23 while some of the guys on that list are 27? Age is funny like that. My guess is by the time Eddy is 27 and some of those other guys are in their 30s, Eddy will move up to the top 3 or no.1.

age is funny that way. you realize how fast perception changes in this league right? perception of a players worth, ceiling, etc. People try to act like they knew Diaw would be good in Phoenix, but no one was saying that last year. Last summer everyone acted like that trade was a steal for the Hawks. A lot can change.

right, and if eddy went to school, he'd probably be more polished and entering the league at 22 BETTER than he is right now.

i'm not knocking eddy, i'm not knocking the trade. i'm talking about this draft and how i feel it's not as "weak" as some say.
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6/6/2006  2:23 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

it's not about being sold on bargnani. it's that he's getting the same hype as pau did in 2001. this draft is deep. if rajon rondo is projected in the mid 20's now, that's an indication of a deep draft.

since more college players are eligible, there will be more 2nd rounders that make the league.

Depends where you look on Rondo - Draftexpress has him going 13th. What I'm saying is: it's fine and good to say "Rondo" and have people be like "man, how can we not have a lotto pick!" But REALLY, Rondo has a lot of questions with his game. This is all projection and guessing right now. As much as we seem to have a secret contingent of brilliant draft analysts here - they are not infallible. Last year everyone told me Frye would be a bust. No one is perfect when it comes to the draft. I'm sure in 2001 there were lots of people who thought Rodney White was a great young SF who deserved to be picked ahead of Joe Johnson. Or that Kedrick Brown should go ahead of Richard Jefferson.

The draft looks interesting, but a lot of these guys have multiple questions and even if they don't, none of them are blue-chip sure-fire. I know people know this, but sometimes it seems like everyone gets really caught up in it. There is no Dwyane Wade in this draft. There is no Lebron.
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6/6/2006  2:38 PM
Thats all you do is knock the trade, find something else please.
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Posted by OngBok:

Thats all you do is knock the trade, find something else please.

you need to read the thread to completion
i'm not knocking eddy, i'm not knocking the trade. i'm talking about this draft and how i feel it's not as "weak" as some say.
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6/6/2006  2:51 PM
2001 was an incredible deep draft
i think you may be thinking about the yr 2000 with k-mart
that was the weakest one in recent memory.

if you go back and look at history and also pay attention to modern day stuff as the draft format has changed with younger and foreign players available, almost every year bears a quantity of fruit. i can tell flat out this is a nice draft, there is no doubt about it--you will have multiple high caliber players from this draft, no doubt in my mind. this draft imho, is better than last years. i dont think you will find the amir johnson's, the lousi williams or monta ellis's in the second round--but look at draft lists and the names that run into round 2 are some darn good players
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Posted by BRIGGS:

2001 was an incredible deep draft
i think you may be thinking about the yr 2000 with k-mart
that was the weakest one in recent memory.

if you go back and look at history and also pay attention to modern day stuff as the draft format has changed with younger and foreign players available, almost every year bears a quantity of fruit. i can tell flat out this is a nice draft, there is no doubt about it--you will have multiple high caliber players from this draft, no doubt in my mind. this draft imho, is better than last years. i dont think you will find the amir johnson's, the lousi williams or monta ellis's in the second round--but look at draft lists and the names that run into round 2 are some darn good players

no, i know 2001 was deep...that's why i used it as an example. i used it to say this draft is going to play out similar to that and that it shouldn't be considered weak at all.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-06-2006 2:55 PM]
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6/6/2006  2:56 PM
Posted by OngBok:

Thats all you do is knock the trade, find something else please.


I dont think getting eddy curry was bad, but the ngotiations we used to acquire him may go down as one of the worst in nba history. there is a very high possibility we end up giving away two high lottery picks tim thomas mike sweetney and two #2s. the nets traded two mid range picks and sht for vince carter we gave up much more for eddy curry when the bulls were offering him $ to retire. no doubt about it any way you want to swing it--the negotriated part of the deal maks the whole think stink, despite what eddy does
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Posted by crzymdups:

you notice how Eddy Curry is still 23 while some of the guys on that list are 27? Age is funny like that. My guess is by the time Eddy is 27 and some of those other guys are in their 30s, Eddy will move up to the top 3 or no.1.

age is funny that way. you realize how fast perception changes in this league right? perception of a players worth, ceiling, etc. People try to act like they knew Diaw would be good in Phoenix, but no one was saying that last year. Last summer everyone acted like that trade was a steal for the Hawks. A lot can change.
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Boris Diaw is a good prospect . Good defender and can do everything on the floor. Just not great at anything. He can be a T.Prince type with very good coaching. He would fit the euro style they play. I also really like the Raja Bell signing he is a very very underrated player. They still have Nash-Marion-Stoud. Jackson-Bell-KT are very good role players. And they will have a ton of flexability to make big moves in the future.
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looks like I had a good guess

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quite a few of us saw some good in Diaw

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