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I know trading Frye is an INSANELY unpopular "venture" among Knick fans nowadays.

Yes, I realize he was All Rookie.

Yes, I realize he's a 6-11 big man that can shoot.



BUT......... I look at it this way --


* Management has backed itself into a corner (our option are LIMITED)

* Frye is our best bargaining chip

* The PF we NEED is 1 that defends and rebounds (not 1 that shoots)

* We can't really afford another losing season

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I mean c'mon, think about it.

Marbury's going nowhere.

Either is Curry.

Or Crawford

Or Nate Robinson (Slam Dunk Champ...)

or Jerome James (virtually untradeable)

etc, etc.

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Now, I like Frye. He has a good work ethic, says the right things, and has almost unlimited range for a guy his size.

But consider this -- Let's say he continues to get better. At this rate, he won't be at the level we need him to be (which is to be more of a defender and rebounder) until 2-3 years from now MINIMUM. Like I said before, can we really afford another lottery season? Can Isiah?

On top of that, I'd argue from a personal standpoint that David Lee means just as much if not more to this team's present AND future than Frye does. He rebounds very well, passes, runs the break, and most of all, DOESN'T NEED SHOT ATTEMPTS.

And I've seen a bunch of "CURRY VS. FRYE" threads and polls, saying how we'll eventually need to choose 1 over the other. I'm quite sure without looking that Frye has a better PER, and a better +/- for the team. And I've read all about how Curry SEEMINGLY can't/won't get better, and how he's overrated, BUT..............Curry can do more for us NOW AND IN THE NEAR FUTURE than Frye can. He's far more dominant a presence on the court. He has more potential (if we are to believe he can indeed unleash it), and MOST OF ALL ---- Isiah wouldn't dare trade him yet.

ALSO........It seems THIS is the year, for ANY chance of targetting the PF we need. (an All-Star caliber big man that can rebound and defend). We won't have any cap space or lottery picks next year, nor any expiring contracts. And even with that 60 Million coming off next year, it won't matter.............management won't stop spending. This offseason we have 2 expiring pieces to work with (Taylor and Rose), along with 2 draft picks, and of course..... Channing Frye.

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Let's take a look at our options:


Jermaine O'Neal -- Long shot, but is a low post presence and a defensive force. Also has a relationship with Isiah, and we all know how Zeke can massage a situation in just the right way (Curry deal). In this scenario we'd be forced to be mostly a half-court team.

Shawn Marion -- Frye's from Arizona, plus Sarver's looking to cut cap to resign Diaw and Barbosa, so there's def. a chance there. Marion is another defensive presence, and would make us a formidable fast paced team. Probly our best option out there.

Tyson Chandler -- With T2's camp saying Chicago has guaranteed his spot at 2 in the draft, it's possible the Bulls shop Chandler around, to see what kind of value they can get in return. He'd be a nice compliment to Curry on the weakside, but of course if we traded for him, 3/5 of our starters would be from the Bulls, and that would be a little weird......

Ben Wallace -- Noticeably P'd at Detroit's supposed coaching blunder in the playoffs, Big Ben may not return to Motown. If so, and b/c he's a restricted FA (correct me if I'm wrong), then Dumars will most likely look for a S&T to get the most value in return.

Kevin Garnett -- The reunion Steph's been waiting for. KG would easily make us a contender next year. He's still playing some serious ball, and the Wolves might very well consider dealing him if reports are true...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 06-03-2006 4:08 PM]

The problem I have with this is that I don't give a damn if another losing season will lead to IT getting fired. So be it.. Are you telling me we need to give up a 6-11 talent just so It can save his job? ha!!!

Then you say David lee in so many words that DAvid lee can replace frye, yet you still want to bring in another PF? what is that about..

I see where you are comming from, but if the knicks must bite the bullet for a couple of years in order to see our young talent mature, then that is the price you pay for wanting young talent and building with young talent, your option looks like a quick fix, that is why we are in the mess we are in now...

Garnett has a lot of miles on those legs, so does Jermain Oneal. Marion? what kind of player are we looking at with marion in 2 years, will he still have that spring, marion also is putting lot of miles on those legs running in pheonix...

I don't know man...

Bens unresticted

Frye still has a chance to emerge as a leader on this squad.

I'll pass

get a bruiser to play next to Frye (I like Batista for it) and see how he responds.

Curry likely is what he will be. Dallas is paying Damp 10 mill a year and this past season he came off the pine 2/3 of it for 24 minutes a night

The reality of it all is the knicks are young and had the wrong coach and wrong mix of vets playing with them.

Frye, curry, and marbs should be a dominant force. Let marbs be marbs. I bet frye and curry would be tons better because essentially we are looking at two souped up versions of kt and nazr.....am I right or wrong or did a lot of us forget everything since brown got here.

Isiah is not perfect but he has tried to make moves to fill holes lots of the moves seemed great but they backfired on him by bringing brown in.

Now I'm looking at stability. The knicks need a 3 cuz I think we all feel jalen doesn't fit. Stephan Jackson is a guy that could probably come in and bring stability. We all know how loyal and consistant he is. That would solve a lot.


Another thing is the knicks have to believe in Crawford again. Dude was playing like he finally got it down the stretch. After that the knicks have David lee to be the rebounder off the bench. Jerome James need a role. No post up just get mean and rebound, block and foul.

That leaves the knicks searching for a partner to take Francis and his fagot ass away from the roster. Cut jalen, and month.

Time to think practicle. Nate is a scorer but he is gonna have to learn to be a point. I'm sure he is working on that now. Nate could take marbs job if he beaks down and if not he is a capable backup.

That is thinking practicle. All that other **** is lame.

Posted by djsunyc:

where is the compliment in the backcourt? why did we draft nate? i love him but why did we draft him? what role was he supposed to fill? was he even supposed to play this year if quentin was healthy?

Nate was drafted b/c Isiah saw something in him. And we all know what that is now.

If our future backcourt is comprised of Nate, JC, and Marbs (with Quentin splitting minutes between SF and SG), that's still OK.

Look at Dallas. They have Harris, Terry, and Stackhouse, all slashing guards.

Here are the top 15 players, according to Draft Express.

bobs3304 - just for kicks and giggles, Can you please slot Channing Frye in this crew?

First Round

1. Andrea Bargnani PF

2. LaMarcus Aldridge PF/C

3. Adam Morrison SF

4. Brandon Roy SG

5. Marcus Williams PG

6. Rudy Gay SF

7. Tyrus Thomas PF

8. Shelden Williams PF/C

9. Patrick O'Bryant C

10. Ronnie Brewer PG/SG

11. J.J. Redick SG

12. Cedric Simmons PF/C

13. Rajon Rondo PG

14. Randy Foye SG

15. Rodney Carney SG/SF

whatever the backcourt rotation is minutes for Nate is a must if this team wants to be with-in sniffing distance of the 8.

his nose for the ball and speed/leaping ability to it is a weapon.

KT and Nazr stunk as a front-court tandem

KT is solid but Nazr had no dimension to his game

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-03-2006 10:49 PM]