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6/1/2006  3:27 PM
Eddy Curry @ 6RPG - 4Off - 2 Def
This is sad. We need to get a better rebounding team. And people asked why not an uptempo team? Here it is, our best rebounder rips an averag of 6 per game.

Eddy is followed by Frye at 5.8 RPG and Lee at 4.5 RPG.

Lee is doing this at 16.9 MPG! We need this kid on the floor for rebounds. Let him average at least 11 RPG. If no trades are done, I would really like to see a starting lineup of

C-Frye
PF-Lee
SF-Woods - (3.9 RPG @ 20.7 MPG last season)
SG-Steve Francis - (4.10 RPG @ 34.2 MPG...not bad for a guard)
PG-Boobbury

Let Eddy come from the bench and feast on the 2nd unit of the other team. He can come in with his boy Jamal as the 2nd wave.
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6/1/2006  3:35 PM
Can you say give up 140 ppg? Lee is a good rebounder and Francis is a good rebounder for a guard, and Woods can hold is own, but that team sure isn't dominating the glass, or coming close to it.
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6/1/2006  3:39 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Can you say give up 140 ppg? Lee is a good rebounder and Francis is a good rebounder for a guard, and Woods can hold is own, but that team sure isn't dominating the glass, or coming close to it.

I would use a trapping defense when using that lineup. 4 of them can run all day except for Dinglebury.

Also, key word is "If"

If no trades are done, would you rather see this starting lineup of...

C-Eddy
PF-MoT
SF-Jalen
SG-Q1
PG-Boobbury

?
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6/1/2006  3:45 PM
OF COURSE I would rather see Frye and Lee get more of the minutes, but Curry is here to stay. But based on last year, Marbury, Francis, Frye, Lee, crawford, Nate, Mo T, Q Woods were all pretty crumby defensive players. Frye and Lee wont magically turn into great lock down defenders after 1 Summer either. It's gonna take the in game experience and they have been getting some as rookies. But for now, that's a horrible starting lineup just b/c of the defense.
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6/1/2006  3:50 PM
That's our best lineup. Nice job. This team should have Lee on the floor 25 minutes a night.
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6/1/2006  4:43 PM
I have said 1000 times that we are a weak rebounding team. Dont throw league averages in my face, because I dont care and I watched the games. We dont own the glass in any way shape or form. We collect a lot of rebounds, but we dont push anyone around, and we dont keep the other team off the offensive glass.

This is why I have been pining for Reggie Evans all year, and will all offseason.

I'm down on Curry, but he and Frye are still good offensive weapons in the front court. You have to have a guy like Evans next to them IMO to make that combo effect. He grabbed 20 boards and didnt score. He can get you 10 boards a night in 18-20 minutes. He's dirty. He's got a Rodman like flop. He's a guy people HATE playing against. We dont have ONE guy on this roster that plays like that. Every freakin player we have needs the ball to be effective.
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6/1/2006  4:49 PM
this is the center we traded 2 lottery picks for by the way
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6/1/2006  5:55 PM

That is largely due to an inconsistant lineup and inconsistant minutes...I think you will see Frye and Curry rebound better with more minutes this coming year...
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6/1/2006  6:23 PM
do your excuses ever stop? Rebounding is positioning and effort. Something Curry simply doesnt have, and has never demonstrated in his NBA career. Frye had the EXACT same problems as he was a poor rebounder in CBB. For a guy his size in the pac 10 he was a poor rebounder, and he got pushed around.
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6/1/2006  6:26 PM
I'm with you hol.. Despite his history for being a below-average rebounder, Curry also only played 26mpg last year. If he's in shape and can chill out with offensive fouls, those numbers could improve (between 8-9rpg is my hopes) with increased pt.

With Frye, Rose, JJ, Curry & Butler, where do we fit another C/PF? This doesn't even include Mo, who should be gone.. What worries me is this, we drafted Channing 7th overall correct? I don't want an increased PF platoon that stunts his growth/development. Unless we can unload one of these guys, finding more minutes will be tough.

What about upgrading with a defender at the 3?

Having a wing player who doesn't constantly need help, would keep Frye/Curry in position for boards/blocks. A more talented rebounder next to Curry won't do us any good if opposing 2,3's are always putting the ball in the bucket.
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6/1/2006  7:06 PM
Posted by fishmike:

do your excuses ever stop? Rebounding is positioning and effort. Something Curry simply doesnt have, and has never demonstrated in his NBA career. Frye had the EXACT same problems as he was a poor rebounder in CBB. For a guy his size in the pac 10 he was a poor rebounder, and he got pushed around.


Take it easy there tiger...If you were to prorate their mins to 38 per game, then you have 9 rebs a game for both players, which is respectable in any league...
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6/1/2006  8:13 PM
Fix the backcourt and you fix the Knicks

Check the shooting percentages of the guards and get back to us

Eddy Curry ain't the problem. I don't care how many draft picks were surrendered for him. If he were in this draft he'd be top 3.

Frye in this draft is top 5 and used as a benchmark to describe Aldridge.

stop the crying and whining

We STILL have David Lee and Jackie Butler to rebound the ball
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6/1/2006  8:40 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by fishmike:

do your excuses ever stop? Rebounding is positioning and effort. Something Curry simply doesnt have, and has never demonstrated in his NBA career. Frye had the EXACT same problems as he was a poor rebounder in CBB. For a guy his size in the pac 10 he was a poor rebounder, and he got pushed around.


Take it easy there tiger...If you were to prorate their mins to 38 per game, then you have 9 rebs a game for both players, which is respectable in any league...


can you prorate Ben Wallace's physique and motor onto Curry or Frye in the same manner?
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6/1/2006  8:46 PM
38 minutes * 82 games = 3116 minutes = approximately double the minutes Eddy has played in any particular season.

{85% of the minutes Eddy has played the last 2 yrs (135 games)}
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6/1/2006  9:01 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by fishmike:

do your excuses ever stop? Rebounding is positioning and effort. Something Curry simply doesnt have, and has never demonstrated in his NBA career. Frye had the EXACT same problems as he was a poor rebounder in CBB. For a guy his size in the pac 10 he was a poor rebounder, and he got pushed around.


Take it easy there tiger...If you were to prorate their mins to 38 per game, then you have 9 rebs a game for both players, which is respectable in any league...


can you prorate Ben Wallace's physique and motor onto Curry or Frye in the same manner?



I'm sure there are 29 other teams who would just love to have a guy like Ben Wallace as well...Say, why don't we stop jocking every other team's stand out player and start supporting ours, how about that thought...We have two guys in Frye and Curry around the age of 22/23 that can probally anchor our frontline the next 10 yrs...Both have the potential to be all stars one day...How about us getting behind them...All this moaning about getting a rebounder who can play D, please..Defense is the last thing to come along for young players..Give our bigs a chance to grow and learn the game...I thought we were all on board to rebuild this thing...Most of you guys are just all talk..



[Edited by - holfresh on 06-01-2006 9:01 PM]
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6/1/2006  9:07 PM
not all of us view the trade for Curry as a rebuilding move.

nor the Crawford one...

nor the Mo Taylor one...

nor the Francis one...

nor the Marbury one...

when you trade future cap space and future picks for guys who are pretty much definable as NBA players because you think the talent is salvageable, you are not rebuilding - be it traditional or "unconventional". could be generous and say its an attempt to retool. However when its done with no identity in mind it is as nalod states: STARPHUCKING

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-01-2006 9:09 PM]

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-01-2006 9:09 PM]
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6/1/2006  9:21 PM
I wonder how many games the Knicks outrebounded their opponents in. I bet it was around 55 out of 82. Rebounding is the last concern I have for this team.
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6/1/2006  9:27 PM
Posted by McK1:

not all of us view the trade for Curry as a rebuilding move.

nor the Crawford one...

nor the Mo Taylor one...

nor the Francis one...

nor the Marbury one...

when you trade future cap space and future picks for guys who are pretty much definable as NBA players because you think the talent is salvageable, you are not rebuilding - be it traditional or "unconventional". could be generous and say its an attempt to retool. However when its done with no identity in mind it is as nalod states: STARPHUCKING

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-01-2006 9:09 PM]

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-01-2006 9:09 PM]



Well it is, they are our most valuable pieces at the moment and two guys who has shown some flashes that they can be something special...Like it or not, the future of this organization is tied to those two players at the moment...They won't be ready to take all comers for a few years now..So take a seat and relax, it will be more enjoyable watching these young men grow into the players they will become...I keep saying this...When it's all said and done, those guys you mention besides Craw, that most of you keep getting your shorts twisted over, won't be here when the Knicks finally start winning...So huff and puff abt the MoT's and Malik's of the world, I'll keep my eye on the young ones like Curry, Frye, Lee, etc that will lead us in the next few years...
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6/1/2006  9:44 PM
supporting our players = supporting our GM and he sucks. Did you support Allan Houston? Did you support Spoon? Eisley? Anderson? Travis Knight?

Please.

Huff and puff is a good description of Eddie who in 5 years has been in shape for one of them. Amazingly it was his contract year
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6/1/2006  9:51 PM


That's the great part about being a fan..You get to moan and groan about what your likes and dislikes then when your team finally gets it together, you can say you were on board all along...Definition of a fan..
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