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10/10/2002  2:00 PM
It isn't televised here....who is going to be watching and can fill everyone in on the game?
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10/11/2002  12:02 AM
a few things i noticed tonight. some things court related, others not.

david aldridge is taller than i thought.

fat joe is huge, as in fatter than i thought.

our pg problem is a bigger problem than our lack of height. (i may have been completely swayed to pg v. height)

toby bailey doesn't know what the word defense means.

danny johnson like most his size can shoot, but do we really need more undersized bench players. defense isn't high on his list either.

travis knight was all hustle and knucklehead plays. he rejected a shot in the 4th that made the garden roar like it was a bloody playoff game. maybe he needs a nickname like t-knight to toughen him up. his hair is still spectacular.

thomas and houston were actually very vocal to their understudies, i don't remember either of them saying anything in the past. maybe they are starting to assume more leadership roles.

mcdyess should work out just fine, but we still look like a .500 team.

i still hate danny ferry, that's not going to change.

tim duncan is the man, no matter how you slice it.

it looked like tony parker broke his show, stopped short and it ripped. haven't seen that before.

plus i read that a man was arrested in la for sneaking spider monkeys in his pants into the us from tailand(or something). yes, monkeys in his pants. people are great.
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10/11/2002  9:25 AM
A good tidbit from Dave D's article:

McDyess' Garden debut was everything he and Chaney could have hoped for, aside from the fact that the building was only half-full. The Knicks went up by 16 before the officials took over the game (65 fouls, 76 free throws), but McDyess had the crowd on his side from the start and never let it go, with a quick scoring burst against Tim Duncan that included a Dream Shake and a dunk off a lob from Allan Houston. His final totals were 13 points, seven rebounds and three assists, but he only played 17 minutes. "He just amazes me," Chaney said.
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10/11/2002  10:49 AM
nice re-cap.

After watching the first preseason game, I would have to agree with your assessment about the whole height v. pg deal. Ward and Eisley are truly backup point guards. At best. How hard is it to tell those guys to push the ball up the court really, really fast? And set up the offense and run a play if that doesn't work instead of dribbling the ball around for 20 seconds?

And when you say "his hair is still spectacular" I hope you mean "spectarcular" in the bad sense of the word.


Posted by quicksandnyc:

a few things i noticed tonight. some things court related, others not.

david aldridge is taller than i thought.

fat joe is huge, as in fatter than i thought.

our pg problem is a bigger problem than our lack of height. (i may have been completely swayed to pg v. height)

toby bailey doesn't know what the word defense means.

danny johnson like most his size can shoot, but do we really need more undersized bench players. defense isn't high on his list either.

travis knight was all hustle and knucklehead plays. he rejected a shot in the 4th that made the garden roar like it was a bloody playoff game. maybe he needs a nickname like t-knight to toughen him up. his hair is still spectacular.

thomas and houston were actually very vocal to their understudies, i don't remember either of them saying anything in the past. maybe they are starting to assume more leadership roles.

mcdyess should work out just fine, but we still look like a .500 team.

i still hate danny ferry, that's not going to change.

tim duncan is the man, no matter how you slice it.

it looked like tony parker broke his show, stopped short and it ripped. haven't seen that before.

plus i read that a man was arrested in la for sneaking spider monkeys in his pants into the us from tailand(or something). yes, monkeys in his pants. people are great.
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10/11/2002  11:26 AM
Any word on how Spoon or Anderson played yesterday from those who saw the game?
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10/11/2002  11:37 AM
Posted by martin:

nice re-cap.

After watching the first preseason game, I would have to agree with your assessment about the whole height v. pg deal. Ward and Eisley are truly backup point guards. At best. How hard is it to tell those guys to push the ball up the court really, really fast? And set up the offense and run a play if that doesn't work instead of dribbling the ball around for 20 seconds?

And when you say "his hair is still spectacular" I hope you mean "spectarcular" in the bad sense of the word.


Posted by quicksandnyc:

a few things i noticed tonight. some things court related, others not.

david aldridge is taller than i thought.

fat joe is huge, as in fatter than i thought.

our pg problem is a bigger problem than our lack of height. (i may have been completely swayed to pg v. height)

toby bailey doesn't know what the word defense means.

danny johnson like most his size can shoot, but do we really need more undersized bench players. defense isn't high on his list either.

travis knight was all hustle and knucklehead plays. he rejected a shot in the 4th that made the garden roar like it was a bloody playoff game. maybe he needs a nickname like t-knight to toughen him up. his hair is still spectacular.

thomas and houston were actually very vocal to their understudies, i don't remember either of them saying anything in the past. maybe they are starting to assume more leadership roles.

mcdyess should work out just fine, but we still look like a .500 team.

i still hate danny ferry, that's not going to change.

tim duncan is the man, no matter how you slice it.

it looked like tony parker broke his show, stopped short and it ripped. haven't seen that before.

plus i read that a man was arrested in la for sneaking spider monkeys in his pants into the us from tailand(or something). yes, monkeys in his pants. people are great.
at least layden and chaney realize the PG issues and are trying to address them however they can - through trade (none really materialized), through the draft (Frank Williams, Milos V. - both great picks based on our drafting positions), through low tier free agency (Summer Camp - Billy Keys, but he signed in europe; Training Camp - Jameill Rich).
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10/11/2002  12:05 PM
Spoon and Anderson:

Spoon looks good, as good as he can look. This looks more like the guy who played well for Cleveland than they guy we saw last year. Obviously, he's a veteran with solid skills. He's not going to make anybody forget Vince Carter or TMac, but he's dependable and he's doing a good job of getting in the paint.

Anderson continues to disappoint. Apparently, he had a great camp, Chaney said so, and Shandon's frustrated with his preseason performance so far. I've never been overly impressed with him, especially after his Charles Smith-like performance in the '97 finals (missed layup choke syndrome). I think Layden must like the guy, and is deluded in thinking he'll be a significant contributor to the team. But, time will tell, I hope Shandon proves me wrong by All-Star break, or I say ship his ass out.

Knight always looks lost on the court, like he never saw the playbook (I could say the same about Eisley, who keeps locking in half-court set, WTF?!) but last night he had some moments, played hustle defense, sank a nice mid-range baseline jumper, a la Nowitski, and just slapped the crap out of the ball with that block in the 4th. It was pivotal to the game, too. If only he'd take some 'roids or something to get bulky (kidding about the 'roids, but wish he were big, because he can actually shoot, he just doesn't rebound or box out very well at all.)
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10/11/2002  1:04 PM
Watching Eisley in the half court has been difficult. Dribble, Dribble, Dribble, pass to Kurt Thomas 19 feet awy with his back to the basket with 4 sec. left on the shot clock. Cring.
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(I could say the same about Eisley, who keeps locking in half-court set, WTF?!)
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Posted by DefAndReb:

Spoon and Anderson:

Spoon looks good, as good as he can look. This looks more like the guy who played well for Cleveland than they guy we saw last year. Obviously, he's a veteran with solid skills. He's not going to make anybody forget Vince Carter or TMac, but he's dependable and he's doing a good job of getting in the paint.

Anderson continues to disappoint. Apparently, he had a great camp, Chaney said so, and Shandon's frustrated with his preseason performance so far. I've never been overly impressed with him, especially after his Charles Smith-like performance in the '97 finals (missed layup choke syndrome). I think Layden must like the guy, and is deluded in thinking he'll be a significant contributor to the team. But, time will tell, I hope Shandon proves me wrong by All-Star break, or I say ship his ass out.

Knight always looks lost on the court, like he never saw the playbook (I could say the same about Eisley, who keeps locking in half-court set, WTF?!) but last night he had some moments, played hustle defense, sank a nice mid-range baseline jumper, a la Nowitski, and just slapped the crap out of the ball with that block in the 4th. It was pivotal to the game, too. If only he'd take some 'roids or something to get bulky (kidding about the 'roids, but wish he were big, because he can actually shoot, he just doesn't rebound or box out very well at all.)
anderson and eisley for glen rice, bogues, cash and a draft pick was a horrible trade. we got two non-contributing bums with long contracts for two non-contributers with short contracts. And dallas got a trade exception that helped them get NVE and Raef LaFrentz.

The two worst performers in our rotation are from that trade - Eisley and Anderson.
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10/11/2002  3:56 PM
thanks martin - spectacular means that t.knight needs a stylist and a trim.

shanderson (i've combined his name for ease of typing and saying it) just doesn't have any flow, it's not that he looks lost, he just isn't involved. chaney looks like he's using 3pfs in the frontcourt while spree is out. any combination of dice thomas spoon othella was used and my main man t.knight.

i almost think that they dusted off the greg anthony playbook for our pgs. dribble out the clock, pass it on the perimeter with 5 left, hoist. clank. i think eisley will come along though, he played well in dallas when he backed up nash (i used on my fantasy team that season, he produced). ward just has not shot at a change. also i'd say in all fairness eisley hasn't worked with the full on 1st unit for more than a couple of minutes at a clip unlike ward who went at least the first eight minutes and was completely unimpressive.

now i'm just rambling.
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10/11/2002  4:28 PM
Our big men, Thomas, McDyess, and Spoon, played excellent. I think Eisley had a very solid game and should get a chance to play with the first string. I think he's capable of 8-10 points and 4-5 assists per game as a starter. I'm a big fan of him and think given the chance he can flourish. We know what Ward is capable of and he won't do anymore. Perfect for a back-up point guard. I like what i see so far with our whole team though.
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10/11/2002  6:22 PM
Is anyone with me when I say I think the frontline starters should be Spoon, McDyess, and Thomas at the 3, 4, 5 respectively. Spree as a 6th man would kill teams, as he would often go up against subs nice and fresh. It would also motivate him.

Spoon's in good shape and can guard a bunch of threes now, plus he evens out the height problem and cures all rebounding problems.

I think that could benefit the Knicks the most.
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10/11/2002  6:26 PM
I say put Houston on the Bench and Start Spree at the 2. But then again.. that's just me...
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Posted by nyvector16:

I say put Houston on the Bench and Start Spree at the 2. But then again.. that's just me...

I dont know how much heat I will get for this, but I am gonna go ahead and say that Houston is the money player here. He is much more reliable. If you want some solid D you go to Spree, but he is a streaky shooter. Houston is the scorer, he may not be the 100million dollar man we hoped for, but he is sweet when it counts and hopefully he will produce. Spree is great dont get me wrong, I just trust Houston a little more.
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Posted by BigSm00th:

Is anyone with me when I say I think the frontline starters should be Spoon, McDyess, and Thomas at the 3, 4, 5 respectively. Spree as a 6th man would kill teams, as he would often go up against subs nice and fresh. It would also motivate him.

Spoon's in good shape and can guard a bunch of threes now, plus he evens out the height problem and cures all rebounding problems.

I think that could benefit the Knicks the most.
Defensively we would get killed. Houston can't guard most of the top 2's. He needs to play with a stopper at the 3 who can rotate off his man, or a shot blocker in the middle he can funnel his man to. If we had this, I would be in favor of benching Spree. Also I think players make to much about who starts. If Spree came off the bench he would still play major minutes (maybe not 40 per like he does now), and still be on the court with Houston most of the time.

[Edited by - nwny on 10/12/2002 23:37:29]
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10/11/2002  11:25 PM
True, that would be a problem on the defensive end, but rebounding would become the Knicks biggest strength. Thomas is boxing out very well, and McDyess is capable of having big rebounding games, those two combined with Weatherspoon would eat up all the loose balls.

Spree off the bench could motivate him to play better and could also make his minutes count. Instead of playing 35 minutes, he could play 28 to 30 minutes of intense basketball, with major time in the 4th.

I know it's not a very good plan, I'm just trying to throw an idea out there.
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