It seems to me he cannot be trusted. That's a critical component.

Can't be trusted in what way? I think the only thing that matter is if he can be trusted to build a winner. He's the only peron in the entire organization that has proven that he can.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by TMS:

i don't expect any roster overhauls at this point... if LB is let go, u can be sure that Isiah will be called on to coach the team he put together... Dolan wants to see results from all the money he's been spending lately... this is going to be Isiah's year to put up or shut up... i'm sure this will be an enjoyable season for you, isles.

Do you think it would be more enjoyable if Isiah were fired now and the mess he's created started to get cleaned up or if he was left to screw the team up even more over the next year with panic moves knowing that his job was on the line and based on winning right now?

I won't take any enjoyment out of the latter even knowing that it would probably be the last nail in Isiah's coffin.

Yeah, I'm not sure why fans think this is a positive option. To me it seems inevitable and I feel we should just do it already but it's just more of the same. Some fans just want to see LB get axed so they are excited about this option because they feel they will be vindicated. But their hatred for LB blinds them to what this is doing to THE KNICKS. Exactly like you said, we will have a coach and GM coaching for his job. His moves will not be made to save teh Knicks, but to save his job. I don't understand how fans can see this before their eyes and still think firing LB is the best thing for us.

As for TMS and myself and some of the others I think we are just resigned to the fact that Isiah will be coach and that we just want to get this over with. So when he is fired a year from now we can start with new people and maybe, just maybe start the business of rebuilding a joke of an organization behind A PROVEN WINNER. Similar to the one we are about to fire.

Posted by TMS:

again, i don't see this as necessarily a positive option, but i do want Isiah to be held accountable for the roster he put together, & knowing Dolan is convinced that Isiah has some sort of plan, this is the only way to get it through his head that we need to change course & rebuild this from the bottom on up... 1 more year of pain is bearable as long as i know that future changes are coming w/an eye toward's building towards a REAL & Legitimate plan of action...

you all know how i feel about LB... i want him to be given more than 1 year to turn things around, but Dolan is pretty much disenchanted w/him at this point, so we need to think of what's realistic in our current situation... is it better to have another puppet coach like Lenny Wilkens or Herb Williams take over this team under the Ego tripping Isiah Thomas & the moron Jim Dolan? i say having Isiah coach is the only realistic option.

Unforutnately everyday it seems like the only option.

Instead of playing the kids more and letting them learn, he bashed them and leaned on our sorry vets,

i thought it was more of the opposite... he leaned more on the young guys & praised their effort all year long, while being more critical of his underachieving veterans who didn't put forth the same type of effort.

Why is it that everytime this topic gets brought up people think that you mean that we cannot survive without LB. Of course we can survive without LB. But this is not about LB. This is about turning the organization around and building towards a championship, whether that takes 5 or 10 years so be it. The first step is to hire a proven winner as GM or coach and follow their lead. It's about YOUR TEAM MAKING CHANGES. But we refuse to do that with our GM. And we've done it twice to our coach's and then fired them. Lenny and LB were not here to maximize wins, they were here to change the culture to one of winning. Wilkens became a yes man. LB rebelled and will be canned. At some point you have to stop worrying about the names and the job they are doing that day and give these people with long-term success the benefit of the doubt. And then follow their lead. Until that point we will always be following guys that have never won anything. It's poor business.

Dear fans of NY: Stop worrying about how many games our teams could have won last year. Winning 35 games instead of 23 is immaterial. It's completely unimportant. It just means we are buying the goods that management is selling us. Stop worrying about win totals. We are miles away from winning a title. The first thing we must do is build. It starts by putting a proven winner in the GM/coach's spot and then sticking with them whether we like their methods or not. Following losers leads you to what you have now. Stop firing the proven winners because we don't like thier methods. Stop supporting GM's and owners that continue to make the same mistakes over and over and refuse to rebuild your team. Every year they excite you with a name "the Bippity Savior principal" or "starphuch". And every year fans buy it. And every year when that name "fails" us. What do we do? We fire the coach and then can't understand why nothing has changed.

Everyone sucked last year. From the ownership to the GM to the coach to the "star" player to the orle players to the bench players to the strength coach's. Noone deserves a pass. they all caused the problems that we had. Noone is anymore to blame than the next. But when you are thinking of canning people why do you start with THE ONE GUY THAT HAS WON ANYTHING???????????????? No matter how much you hate LB describe the logic in why he is more to blame than anyone else. Why is he more to blame than the GM that has built every team but his own. Or the players who are known league wide for underachieving or causing problems with every team they've been on. At what point does NY say they want to stick with a winner??????????

I contend that if the Pistons players had never talked about how much they are enjoying their "freedom"(which they are now complaining about) none of this disrespect would have happened and most of the players would have hopped in line. The Pistons regular season success was our downfall. It's amazing how fragile we are.

[Edited by - Bippity10 on 05-31-2006 2:00 PM]

since its likely he isn't going anywhere:

get a starting point who passes/plays D and move Steph to the 2.

Steve for Tinsley and Crshere's ending contract may be doable.

i dont think we need an overhall jus trade the redundant players for hard working role players