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SkyWalker
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5/26/2006  10:31 PM
Josh Howard is really an amazing player. I love how he can affect the game in so many different ways. He scores, defends,rebounds, can shoot outside, handle the ball and hustles more than everyone else. There aren't a lot of players that can help his team out in so many ways like Josh can. I think David Lee needs to be that kind of player for us. But I think he needs to be primariliy a power guy that can finish anything around the basket. The kind that can also catch a pass at half court and take it all the way right to the basket to finish or dish to a teammate on the fast break. The kind of guy that can get the ball 10-15 ft out and face up and either knock down the little jumper, attack the basket off the dribble or draw a double team. If he can draw double teams then his passing skills will really help his team. Then he just needs to be a monster on the boards. I think if Lee works hard enough and then gets the playing time, he should average 15pts-10rbs-4assts (on the conservative side) with the ability to drop 25-30 points or grab 15-20 rebounds on any given night.

Some of you might not care right now but i'm sick of being depressed about the knicks and want to think about something positive for a minute as Tim Thomas just knocked down another 3.

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5/26/2006  11:02 PM
Nah, the multi-talented and elevating machine Qyntel Woods is closer to Josh Howard.

David Lee plays center

I've liked David Lee from the moment he won the HS slam dunk. I would put his quicker presence inside to keep the ball moving through the post before vanyone can blink

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5/27/2006  12:20 AM
I love lee, he must develop a jumper and a legit move off the dribble. If he does that, then we can start talking Howard.... Until then he can contribute in other ways, but not on that level yet..
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5/27/2006  10:36 AM
Lee doesn't have the same ability....they share nothing in common as far as their bodies are go. I wanted Ariza to be Howard but he is gone thank God. I'm hoping Qyntel Woods can emerge as something more than Howard in a Knick uniform.

Much like Tkf....I'd love to see him develop his jumper and maybe get a off the dribble move. It just would be nice to see Lee expand his game a little.
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5/27/2006  11:39 AM
All I really meant is that Howard impacts the game in many different ways the same way I expect Lee to change a game in so many different ways. Not the same exact way that Howard does but in his own way.
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5/27/2006  12:16 PM
Posted by SkyWalker:

All I really meant is that Howard impacts the game in many different ways the same way I expect Lee to change a game in so many different ways. Not the same exact way that Howard does but in his own way.


point taken.. I agree with that..
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5/27/2006  4:56 PM
Lee is no Howard.

He's more of a role player.


For some reason I see Rudy Gay as a Josh Howard type. Maybe Brandon Roy too.

But ya, 2 things we need this summer are a rebounder/defender at PF, and a versatile 3.
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5/27/2006  8:42 PM
Howard is a really good player. Howard is that in between scorer that gets tough buckets on the drive and in between that keeps you in the game for 48 mins. Kinda like James worthy but not quite.

I love howards game. If woods were to get aggressive and maybe if whoever the knicks coach is got woods going with that mentality the knicks would be set.

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5/27/2006  9:06 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Kinda like James worthy but not quite.

exactly!

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5/27/2006  10:06 PM
Q Woods is very far from being a josh howard type of player. Josh Howard, Ben Wallace and guys like that just have a certain desire and drive that is beyond that of most other players in the league. Woods might have the same skills but will never be as good as Josh Howard. He can't have the same impact as Josh. Even if they score the same points in a game there are so many things that Howard does that doesn't show up necessarily that helps his team. That extra that he brings is something that is there all along. The skills are what he has developed. Howard has a certain confidence as well which is great to see because he is not trying to show anyone up. He is just extremely confident in himself to make plays and that spreads throughout his entire team. Q Woods can be a decent player in this league but will never bring what Howard brings to the table. I think Lee would be amazing if he played on phoenix. If Tim Thomas can play some time at center and power forward then Lee definitely can and he can be a rebounding machine for them without amare in there. He can also run the floor and finish so well that Nash would hit him for so many layups and dunks. Lee is also great at rebounding long rebounds off of 3 point shots - especially if he had a bigger slower guy on him.
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5/28/2006  5:56 AM
I was actually thinking of this comparison at work, and when I got home you had posted this thread. Awesome! I think Lee is alot like Howard in that Howard was pretty challenged ofensively, alot like Lee, and was known for his defense. I personally think that Howard has a little more potential than Lee because he is a little more athletic, but it is not a big gap at all.

But I think this is a great comparison.
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5/28/2006  10:29 AM
Posted by SkyWalker:

Q Woods is very far from being a josh howard type of player. Josh Howard, Ben Wallace and guys like that just have a certain desire and drive that is beyond that of most other players in the league. Woods might have the same skills but will never be as good as Josh Howard. He can't have the same impact as Josh. Even if they score the same points in a game there are so many things that Howard does that doesn't show up necessarily that helps his team. That extra that he brings is something that is there all along. The skills are what he has developed. Howard has a certain confidence as well which is great to see because he is not trying to show anyone up. He is just extremely confident in himself to make plays and that spreads throughout his entire team. Q Woods can be a decent player in this league but will never bring what Howard brings to the table. I think Lee would be amazing if he played on phoenix. If Tim Thomas can play some time at center and power forward then Lee definitely can and he can be a rebounding machine for them without amare in there. He can also run the floor and finish so well that Nash would hit him for so many layups and dunks. Lee is also great at rebounding long rebounds off of 3 point shots - especially if he had a bigger slower guy on him.

agree 150% with everythingyou've said.

Woods is a nice rotation player and good finisher. However there was no indication the game plays out in his head the same way it does in Howard's.

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5/30/2006  10:46 AM
I don't know about being Josh Howard, but I sort of understand what your saying. David Lee can be a stud if he was able to shoot 15fters consistantly. Added strength to finish around the basket, and developed a solid post move.

Working with his skills he currantly has, He is a good rebounder who is very good at making that outlet pass to get a fast break going or putting the ball on the floor and pushing it up himself. And quick/athletic enough to get up the court and end up being the one finishing the play. He is also good at keeping the ball alive on the offensive glass. If he played in the right system he could really excell.
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5/30/2006  10:56 AM
Choose one

David Lee needs to lose the extra pounds and be Bill Bradley

or maintain the Florida weight added to playing center and be like Dave DeBusschere

Josh Howard is a much DIFFERENT kinda ballplayer



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5/30/2006  11:23 AM
What about the 4th option - be a combination of both.
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5/30/2006  11:28 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Choose one

David Lee needs to lose the extra pounds and be Bill Bradley

or maintain the Florida weight added to playing center and be like Dave DeBusschere

Josh Howard is a much DIFFERENT kinda ballplayer

Yeah, Bradley and Dave D are freaking hall of famers!! Lets not raise these expectations for Mr. Lee b/c we have no clue, realistically, how he'll turn out. I used to use these same comparisons all the time but now I hate them, b/c in case you didn't notice, no 2 players are quite the same in this day and age. Let him work on that jumper, let him improve his defense (By a lot might I add) and lets see him bulk up a little more then we'll simply be saying, wow, David Lee is great. Not David Lee reminds me of.
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5/30/2006  12:05 PM
Allanfan - cut the drama. We ALL know that Bradley and Dave D are in the Hall of fame. No One is suggesting Lee IS either of the two any more than he is Josh Howard.

Lee, and the Knicks coaching staff, have an important decision on which direction to nudge his development.

is he better positioned to match up the quicksters like McGrady, Sheed or Garnett?

or muscle inside against the slower, bulkier types?

you make the call
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5/30/2006  3:25 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Allanfan - cut the drama. We ALL know that Bradley and Dave D are in the Hall of fame. No One is suggesting Lee IS either of the two any more than he is Josh Howard.

Lee, and the Knicks coaching staff, have an important decision on which direction to nudge his development.

is he better positioned to match up the quicksters like McGrady, Sheed or Garnett?

or muscle inside against the slower, bulkier types?

you make the call

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5/30/2006  4:32 PM
Why can't he match up against certain quicker types but more especially with power forwards and centers. Just because the guy bulks up doesnt mean he can't move anymore. Anthony Mason was able to guard Michael Jordan at times and other times Shaq. Lee needs to bulk up. If he bulks up enough where he can bang with most power forwards and centers then he will have an advantage with his quickness and try to out hustle them around the basket and run rings around them. If he can still have the ability to guard certain small forwards then he can punish them down low in the post. He can be a great finisher around the basket with both hands and use his quickness effectively against power forwards and centers that are slower than him.
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