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5/23/2006  9:32 PM
Curiously, Mark Aguirre and George Glymph, two assistant coaches with close ties to Thomas, were not involved in the drills, which were conducted by Brown and assistants Dave Hanners, Phil Ford, Brendan O'Connor and Herb Williams. Thomas walked into the gym at the Knicks' Westchester practice facility after drills began and observed, although Noel said he shouted some instructions during the fullcourt portion of the workout.

from: Http://www.hoopshype.com, from newsday article.




Interesting....Very interesting.....could this be the compromise? Larry gets to keep his coaching staff, with much less "pressure" from Zeke?
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5/23/2006  9:49 PM
its a good place to start if this is whats happening

Glymph and Aguirre having chairs on someone else's staff is rediculous enough. Then you factor in 2 HoF coaches and it illustrates just how much a circus MSG has become.
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5/23/2006  10:00 PM
that's probably the best piece of news, if it is news, i've heard about this team in a while.
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5/23/2006  10:05 PM
I didn't find the article on Newsday's site, but if you want to participate in a fun poll, here's the URL:

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-knixkeepordumppoll,0,7256743.poll
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5/23/2006  10:05 PM
I thought Brendan Suhr was Isiah's big draft guru. I wonder if he was there. I wouldn't read too much into anything until Dolan speaks or allows Isiah to speak.
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5/23/2006  10:05 PM
Zeke is the GM...Larry is the coach....sounds like the way it should've worked from the begining....but I have to ask this question....If LB wanted these guys gone, why? I mean, if he just wanted them gone because they were just there and he didn't want them, fine, but my question is would these guys subvert Brown by pushing an Isiah agenda with the players they are working with ("Don't worry Eddy, just work on offense, defense is secondary")?
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5/23/2006  10:07 PM
Full Article:

Larry, Isiah mum at workout



BY GREG LOGAN
Newsday Staff Correspondent

May 23, 2006

GREENBURGH, N.Y. -- It was business as usual for the Knicks yesterday, if your idea of "usual" includes a press room with an overflow crowd of print, radio and television reporters waiting to hear from three college draft prospects and one Brazilian player about details of their workout with Larry Brown and Isiah Thomas.

The practice session marked the first time Brown and Thomas have been together since reports surfaced just over a week ago that Knicks owner James Dolan is considering a buyout of the remaining four years of Brown's coaching contract worth $40 million. Neither Brown nor Thomas was made available to the media, so it was comical when a Knicks spokesman asked the media contingent to "go easy" on the kids.

As if there was any other reason to interview forwards Marco Killingsworth of Indiana, David Noel of North Carolina, Kelly Whitney of Seton Hall and Leonardo DiPacce Dos Santos of Brazil. Of course, the kids knew the score when they met with the media after their workout.

"Come on, man, it's New York," Killingsworth said. "It's all over the world. Yeah, I know the situation, but that doesn't concern me."

Asked if he would suspect anything was wrong if he didn't know about the rift between Brown and Thomas, Killingsworth said, "No, you wouldn't know a thing."

Curiously, Mark Aguirre and George Glymph, two assistant coaches with close ties to Thomas, were not involved in the drills, which were conducted by Brown and assistants Dave Hanners, Phil Ford, Brendan O'Connor and Herb Williams. Thomas walked into the gym at the Knicks' Westchester practice facility after drills began and observed, although Noel said he shouted some instructions during the fullcourt portion of the workout.

When the session ended, Killingsworth said, Thomas and Brown talked. To each other.

"Yeah. They were sitting there talking to each other, I guess, about us," Killingsworth said. "I mean, I saw them laughing a little bit with each other. I guess that's good."

There was no mention by Brown or Thomas of the Knicks' unsettled state of affairs. "You can't bring in younger guys and have them seeing the turmoil that's going on within the organization -- if there is anything going on," Noel said. "For the most part, they did a great job of hiding anything that's going on. [Brown] did a great job of keeping the distractions away from us."

Brown's representative, Joe Glass, declined comment on whether he is seeking a meeting with Dolan and said Brown intends to continue working as coach of the Knicks. There is no official timetable from the organization for a meeting between Dolan and Brown, and no certainty about the outcome once it takes place.

However, it's safe to assume Thomas was the only one on the court yesterday who is assured of returning next season. Asked if he felt he was auditioning more for Thomas, Seton Hall's Whitney took no chances.

"I was auditioning for everybody," Whitney said. "I'm just coming out of college. I don't know who makes the final decision. At the end of the day, I just hope I impressed everybody."

Smart kid.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spknix234753462may23,0,1800709.story?coll=ny-sports-print

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5/23/2006  10:25 PM
Curiously, Mark Aguirre and George Glymph, two assistant coaches with close ties to Thomas, were not involved in the drills, which were conducted by Brown and assistants Dave Hanners, Phil Ford, Brendan O'Connor and Herb Williams. Thomas walked into the gym at the Knicks' Westchester practice facility after drills began and observed, although Noel said he shouted some instructions during the fullcourt portion of the workout.

Do we really need the full complement of coaches to workout 3 guys?

[Edited by - JesseDark on 05-23-2006 10:27 PM]
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5/23/2006  10:34 PM
Do we need them period?

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5/23/2006  10:43 PM
Posted by McK1:

Do we need them period?

yeah, why keep the guys who work with the kids and encourage them when we could keep the whiny old meglomaniac who belittles them?
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5/23/2006  10:50 PM
what is Aguirre teaching Curry?

is he giving him insight on how to patrol the paint? he did so much of that as a 6' 5 post up small-forward thru-out his career, he has plenty to share with Ed.

you're making zero sense. He has no business on Larry Brown's bench. Isiah wants Curry and co to develop in his image, he should coach the damn team.

You pay LB, let him and his staff develop Ed in the manner they see fit to execute the game plan.

[Edited by - McK1 on 05-23-2006 10:50 PM]
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5/23/2006  10:58 PM
Who cares if Aguirre stays or goes? We haven't had one great post up player since Ewing and LJ and obviously, none of the guys we've had since have shown much.

BTW, why did Isiah fire Brendan Malone way back? He wasn't even a Layden guy. He was here long before Layden.
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5/23/2006  11:19 PM
I care more about not trading youth for players with pre-existing injuries than I do about the make up of the coaching staff.
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5/23/2006  11:39 PM
Posted by McK1:

what is Aguirre teaching Curry?

is he giving him insight on how to patrol the paint? he did so much of that as a 6' 5 post up small-forward thru-out his career, he has plenty to share with Ed.

you're making zero sense. He has no business on Larry Brown's bench. Isiah wants Curry and co to develop in his image, he should coach the damn team.

You pay LB, let him and his staff develop Ed in the manner they see fit to execute the game plan.

[Edited by - McK1 on 05-23-2006 10:50 PM]

Thank you McK1, your righ on target.

I don't get, all I've heard about Aguirre is that he's an excellent big man coach but I have yet to see ANY results of his work with anyone.

I think this news of the assistants is kinda big, I'm starting to believe that Larry won't be fired(thank God) and that maybe Isiah's guys will be reassigned elsewhere into the organization. If there really was a power struggle between the coaches then you can imagine how that could have really messed with things last year, although this is the first we're hearing about it. I'd just assume to say, let Larry coach and let him bring in HIS assistants, most other coaches get the final say of who the assistants are, so should Larry.
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5/23/2006  11:51 PM
Caring who the assistants are is mindless. Who cares? Curry is still the same lazy player and no coach can change that. Only Curry can.
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5/24/2006  7:05 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Caring who the assistants are is mindless. Who cares? Curry is still the same lazy player and no coach can change that. Only Curry can.

its about trust, particularly Larry's circle of trust. Hannars Ford O' Connor are his guys. Glymph and Agguire - Isiah's

you think they aren't a source of contention for the most paranoid insecure coach in the league.

Larry doesn't want them there and he's said in his roundabout sarcastic way. There stooges for Zeke wih serious ability to undermine.

Open Isiah's big man camp and make Aguirre Glymph in charge of that.

[Edited by - McK1 on 05-24-2006 07:06 AM]
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5/24/2006  7:16 AM
Aguirre as big man coach is working on things like footwork, moves in the post, etc.

I can't see how that would interfere with Larry Brown as head coach.

If the knicks wanted to have an assistant coach that did nothing but teach and work on free through shooting, god bless them.

This is different from 'this is how we defend the pick and roll'

Mark might tell Curry, when we defend the pick and roll, move your right first foot, lead with your left shoulder, etc- technique, not philosophy.

I don't read too much into this.
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5/24/2006  8:34 AM
well, for one thing, i'm sure aguirre reports everything that lb says and does to isiah.

at the end of the day, a coach should really have his own guys in there. otherwise, it shows the players that the coach doesn't really have full authority.
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5/24/2006  9:32 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

well, for one thing, i'm sure aguirre reports everything that lb says and does to isiah.

at the end of the day, a coach should really have his own guys in there. otherwise, it shows the players that the coach doesn't really have full authority.

This should be easy to understand. Aguirre was brought here and his precense immediately undermined Lenny Wilkens. I'm okay with the guy I think he has done an okay job with our big guys. Despite the fact that we don't have a star in the post I think all our guys have shown some improvement in footwork(remember post development takes time, which we normally trade guys before this time occurs). But...................A coach should have his own staff. And if you can't see the possibility that Aguirre could undermine LB, man are you naive. NOt saying it's happening, but if LB doesn't want him than he should not be here. Just like if Isiah doesn't want LB than he shouldn't be here. Make a friggin decision.

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Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by djsunyc:

well, for one thing, i'm sure aguirre reports everything that lb says and does to isiah.

at the end of the day, a coach should really have his own guys in there. otherwise, it shows the players that the coach doesn't really have full authority.

This should be easy to understand. Aguirre was brought here and his precense immediately undermined Lenny Wilkens. I'm okay with the guy I think he has done an okay job with our big guys. Despite the fact that we don't have a star in the post I think all our guys have shown some improvement in footwork(remember post development takes time, which we normally trade guys before this time occurs). But...................A coach should have his own staff. And if you can't see the possibility that Aguirre could undermine LB, man are you naive. NOt saying it's happening, but if LB doesn't want him than he should not be here. Just like if Isiah doesn't want LB than he shouldn't be here. Make a friggin decision.

that's why i'm not sold on "compromises" between isiah and lb. that's total BS and will end up failing in the end. isiah, if you have a vision, then hire a coach that shares the exact same vision otherwise give the guy you hired full support. but don't hire a guy, especially a stubborn prick like lb, and then hope he conforms to your vision b/c that's not going to happen.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-24-2006 09:46 AM]
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