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OngBok
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5/23/2006  8:47 PM
I will take Curry's 14 pts & 6 rebs per game & Frye's 12 pts & 6 rebs per game( NBA stats )any day of the week compaired to anyone in the draft !!! Remember before you cream your panties, don't try and compair college stats to NBA stats because i guarantee none of the top 5 draftees will avg double figures in the first year in the league !!! Also Morrison & Gay are SF's so where do they play on the Bulls ??? Nocioni is their SF and damn good too !!! Frye is our PF and none of these guys are better than him at the PF spot in this draft !! Lets start with a comparison with Curry and Frye because if you draft Thomas or Alridge who are PF's then they must be better than Frye and ofcourse Curry because of the trade !!!!!!

#34 Eddy Curry | C
Born: December 5, 1982
Harvey, IL
Height: 6-11
Weight: 285 lbs. Age: 23
Pos: C
Drafted: 2001, 1st round, 4th pick by Bulls
PPG 13.6 | RPG 6 | BPG 0.8

#7 Channing Frye | FC Born: May 17, 1983
White Plains, NY
Height: 6-11
Weight: 248 lbs. Age: 23
Pos: FC
College: Arizona
Drafted: 2005, 1st round, 8th pick by Knicks
PPG 12.3 | RPG 5.8 | BPG 0.7


#12 Tyrus Thomas | F
Full Name: Tyrus Thomas
Birth Place: Baton Rouge, LA
Height: 6-9
Weight: 215 lbs. Position: Forward
PPG 12.3 | APG 1.3 | RPG 9.2



#23 LaMarcus Aldridge | F Full Name: LaMarcus Aldridge
Birth Place: Dallas, TX
Height: 6-10
Weight: 237 lbs. Position: Forward
PPG 15.0 | APG .5 | RPG 9.2Profile GameLog


#3 Adam Morrison | Full Name: Adam Morrison
Birth Place: Spokane, WA
Height: 6-8
Weight: 205 lbs. Position: Forward
PPG 28.1 | APG 1.8 | RPG 5.5

#22 Rudy Gay | Full Name: Rudy Gay
Birth Place: Baltimore, MD
Height: 6-9
Weight: 220 lbs. Position: Forward
PPG 15.2 | APG 2.1 | RPG 6.4


EXACTLY !!! At the end of the day, Zeke made the right choice !!!
Isiah Thomas will lead us back to the playoffs in 2006 !!!
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5/23/2006  8:49 PM
its not all about Stats with Curry/Frye. Who's going to play nba frontline quality defense out of the two?
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5/23/2006  8:51 PM
Posted by OngBok:

Remember before you cream your panties, don't try and compair college stats to NBA stats because i guarantee none of the top 5 draftees will avg double figures in the first year in the league

friendly wager?
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5/23/2006  9:00 PM
What does Frye have to do with anything? The Knicks didnt get Frye in that Bulls deal. They only got Eddy Curry and I would take the #2 pick over the 16/8 any day of the week.
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5/23/2006  9:04 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by OngBok:

Remember before you cream your panties, don't try and compair college stats to NBA stats because i guarantee none of the top 5 draftees will avg double figures in the first year in the league

friendly wager?

just to be clear, are we including involuntary nocturnal draft-related emissions?
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5/23/2006  9:30 PM
Ong Bok - led by the always even-handed NYC media corps, ther will be so much gnashing of teeth over the unproven lottery pickings that you will think the Knicks gave away the rights to Kareen Abdul jabbar, Lebron and Lenny Bias combined.
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5/23/2006  9:31 PM
I'm not excited by anyone in this draft. It doesn't matter what the pick was, cuz there really isn't a guy in this draft who would give us what Curry can give us when he's on. They're not big enough or strong enough. Now also realize that this year was not a good year to judge Curry on. Too much happened to him last offseason, which cutback on his growth and then there was the drama of this year. I reserve judgement on him. It will likely take a while for many of these draftees to make an impact.

Would I like to have the #2 pick, of course. But its not that big of a deal in the long run. Its not likely that the player Chicago gets puts them over the top and makes them a title contender.
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5/23/2006  9:33 PM
Replay

``It's not a weak draft," said Ainge. ``It's just weak at the top. In a year where you have LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, and Dwyane Wade, there isn't that. But from that point on, that's where our draft is. Although there's not as much separation as in most years, I think it's still an advantage to be picking who you want and not be picking who's left over."
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5/23/2006  9:39 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Ong Bok - led by the always even-handed NYC media corps, ther will be so much gnashing of teeth over the unproven lottery pickings that you will think the Knicks gave away the rights to Kareen Abdul jabbar, Lebron and Lenny Bias combined.

earl, seriously i assume you watched bias at maryland. how good do you think he would have been in the nba? personally i think somewhere in the james worthy/alex english/adrian dantley area. in other words, pretty f'g amazing.
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5/23/2006  9:43 PM
well what year do you judge Curry averaging more turnovers than assists steals and blocks combined on?
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5/23/2006  9:51 PM
dumb thread

how to you defend giving up tim thomas mike sweetney pick 2 in this draft and likely another lottery pick in the next one--2 more number 2 s and 60mm to curry for all of 14 and 6 when his team was ready to give him 20mm to retire.

lets be honest we got reamed in the arse and to those soothsayers who dont think there are better polayers at number 2 in this draft you are CRAZY.

how many NBA people consider eddy curry a high calber nba player? hes a one dimensional player with weight problems with very little fundamental skills hes likely to have his 24 points 7 rebounds one game and come back with 5 points 3 rebounds the next that been his 4 years in the nba
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5/23/2006  10:00 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

dumb thread

how to you defend giving up tim thomas mike sweetney pick 2 in this draft and likely another lottery pick in the next one--2 more number 2 s and 60mm to curry for all of 14 and 6 when his team was ready to give him 20mm to retire.

lets be honest we got reamed in the arse and to those soothsayers who dont think there are better polayers at number 2 in this draft you are CRAZY.

how many NBA people consider eddy curry a high calber nba player? hes a one dimensional player with weight problems with very little fundamental skills hes likely to have his 24 points 7 rebounds one game and come back with 5 points 3 rebounds the next that been his 4 years in the nba

4.1 pts, 2.8 rebs, .6 blks, .2 assists, 0.0 stls--4.5 pts, 3.4 rebs, 1 blk, .3 assists, .2 stls--2.6 pts, 2.8 rebs, .4 blks, .4 ast, .1 stl--3.9 pts, 3.3 rebs, .8 blks, .3 ast, .2 stl.

Whose stats are these for his first four years in the league?

Answer-http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3120/career;_ylt=Ap0UgiBJ._NVujNXYrMIDb.kvLYF

[Edited by - joec32033 on 05-23-2006 10:01 PM]
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5/23/2006  10:08 PM
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5/23/2006  10:08 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by BRIGGS:

dumb thread

how to you defend giving up tim thomas mike sweetney pick 2 in this draft and likely another lottery pick in the next one--2 more number 2 s and 60mm to curry for all of 14 and 6 when his team was ready to give him 20mm to retire.

lets be honest we got reamed in the arse and to those soothsayers who dont think there are better polayers at number 2 in this draft you are CRAZY.

how many NBA people consider eddy curry a high calber nba player? hes a one dimensional player with weight problems with very little fundamental skills hes likely to have his 24 points 7 rebounds one game and come back with 5 points 3 rebounds the next that been his 4 years in the nba

4.1 pts, 2.8 rebs, .6 blks, .2 assists, 0.0 stls--4.5 pts, 3.4 rebs, 1 blk, .3 assists, .2 stls--2.6 pts, 2.8 rebs, .4 blks, .4 ast, .1 stl--3.9 pts, 3.3 rebs, .8 blks, .3 ast, .2 stl.

Whose stats are these for his first four years in the league?

Answer-http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3120/career;_ylt=Ap0UgiBJ._NVujNXYrMIDb.kvLYF

joe, i don't think people would be this upset about having eddy curry if we didn't pay a franchise pricetag for him...and what we gave up DOES matter.

right now, he's a big risk. healthwise with the heart. conditioning wise since he's never been in shape. mental wise b/c he seems to space out on the court from time to time. there are ALOT of concerns. especially considering that the bulls weren't going to even play him this season.

so we paid DEARLY for him. that's what bothers me so much. he's a nice potential piece. but that's all he is, potential. and those type of players are either drafted or signed cheaply. jermaine was obtained for dale davis. not dale davis and 2 #1's and 2 #2's and given $55 mil.

and the problem is that throughout the course of the season, none of those concerns were alleviated. so all we have for him is hope. and if it doesn't work out, we're left watching the playoffs on tv and helping chicago become an elite team in the league.

on the flip side, we drafted channing who's had a history of strong work ethic. a smart kid. and a hard worker. none of us have any fears about channing becoming a better player. in fact, many of us think he's going to be better than eddy...who was drafted higher and has been in the league for 5 years already.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-23-2006 10:10 PM]
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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by BRIGGS:

dumb thread

how to you defend giving up tim thomas mike sweetney pick 2 in this draft and likely another lottery pick in the next one--2 more number 2 s and 60mm to curry for all of 14 and 6 when his team was ready to give him 20mm to retire.

lets be honest we got reamed in the arse and to those soothsayers who dont think there are better polayers at number 2 in this draft you are CRAZY.

how many NBA people consider eddy curry a high calber nba player? hes a one dimensional player with weight problems with very little fundamental skills hes likely to have his 24 points 7 rebounds one game and come back with 5 points 3 rebounds the next that been his 4 years in the nba

4.1 pts, 2.8 rebs, .6 blks, .2 assists, 0.0 stls--4.5 pts, 3.4 rebs, 1 blk, .3 assists, .2 stls--2.6 pts, 2.8 rebs, .4 blks, .4 ast, .1 stl--3.9 pts, 3.3 rebs, .8 blks, .3 ast, .2 stl.

Whose stats are these for his first four years in the league?

Answer-http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3120/career;_ylt=Ap0UgiBJ._NVujNXYrMIDb.kvLYF

joe, i don't think people would be this upset about having eddy curry if we didn't pay a franchise pricetag for him...and what we gave up DOES matter.

right now, he's a big risk. healthwise with the heart. conditioning wise since he's never been in shape. mental wise b/c he seems to space out on the court from time to time. there are ALOT of concerns. especially considering that the bulls weren't going to even play him this season.

so we paid DEARLY for him. that's what bothers me so much. he's a nice potential piece. but that's all he is, potential. and those type of players are either drafted or signed cheaply. jermaine was obtained for dale davis. not dale davis and 2 #1's and 2 #2's and given $55 mil.

and the problem is that throughout the course of the season, none of those concerns were alleviated. so all we have for him is hope.

on the flip side, we drafted channing who's had a history of strong work ethic. a smart kid. and a hard worker. none of us have any fears about channing becoming a better player. in fact, many of us think he's going to be better than eddy...who was drafted higher and has been in the league for 5 years already.



[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-23-2006 10:09 PM]

Understood, but you have to remember this was a Dale Davis that was averaging...10 pts, 9.8 rebounds, and 1.27 blks the season before the trade...http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/playerStats?categoryId=71406

Look at the reaction of some guys when this trade was made...http://bbs.clutchfans.net/archive/index.php/t-618.html

And my point wasn't to defend the trade, it was to show that some guys take 4 or 5 years to develop....it took O'Neal 5 years and 2 teams.
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5/23/2006  10:15 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

dumb thread

how to you defend giving up tim thomas mike sweetney pick 2 in this draft and likely another lottery pick in the next one--2 more number 2 s and 60mm to curry for all of 14 and 6 when his team was ready to give him 20mm to retire.

lets be honest we got reamed in the arse and to those soothsayers who dont think there are better polayers at number 2 in this draft you are CRAZY.

how many NBA people consider eddy curry a high calber nba player? hes a one dimensional player with weight problems with very little fundamental skills hes likely to have his 24 points 7 rebounds one game and come back with 5 points 3 rebounds the next that been his 4 years in the nba

Briggs, you always bring great stuff to this forum, but deep down you KNOW that if Eddy Curry was coming out of college at 22yr old and he could move like Eddy moves and had the size Eddy has he would easily go number 1 overall. Big mobile centers ALWAYS go number one overall. Curry is still young, he's a year or two older than most guys in this draft. He's already led the NBA in FG%, he's already averaged 16.8ppg, he's improved his rebound rate every single year. OF COURSE he still has things to learn, but he still has time to learn. It is four more seasons until he is even 27.

People need to stop acting like the 2pick overall has anything to do with Eddy. It has everything to do with Brown. For all we know Brown was trying to get Isiah fired with this record, knowing we'd lose a high pick. What we do know is that Brown was trying to force Marbury and others out of town by tanking games and assassinating players in the media.

Bottom line, Curry is worth one high lotto pick. Sweetney is a bench player. He's a nice bench player, but I'd rather have David Lee any day. Tim Thomas is playing great in Phoenix, but the Bulls gave him away for nothing and he wasn't an asset here either. Next year's pick swap is still up in the air. I'm not saying we can have a better record than the Bulls, but we can be close enough that's it's not a big deal.

But if ANYONE thinks Eddy Curry wouldn't be the top pick in this year's draft, they are kidding themselves. The grass is always greener and we got to see Eddy up close during a season of turmoil when he was coming off a summer where he wasn't allowed to work out and media vultures were acting like he was going to die the next time he touched a basketball without looking at the facts. Eddy still has all-star potential. Not many guys in this draft can say that.
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5/23/2006  10:17 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

joe, i don't think people would be this upset about having eddy curry if we didn't pay a franchise pricetag for him...and what we gave up DOES matter.

right. and what we gave up for Eddy has a lot more to do with Larry Brown's scheming than it does Eddy.
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5/23/2006  10:19 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

and the problem is that throughout the course of the season, none of those concerns were alleviated. so all we have for him is hope. and if it doesn't work out, we're left watching the playoffs on tv and helping chicago become an elite team in the league.

Elite? LOL. most elite teams make it out of the first round. omg, the grass is always greener I guess. I know, I know, they have all that cap room to throw at Nazr Mohammed this summer... LOL. I thought this was the no whining thread?
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Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

and the problem is that throughout the course of the season, none of those concerns were alleviated. so all we have for him is hope. and if it doesn't work out, we're left watching the playoffs on tv and helping chicago become an elite team in the league.

Elite? LOL. most elite teams make it out of the first round. omg, the grass is always greener I guess. I know, I know, they have all that cap room to throw at Nazr Mohammed this summer... LOL. I thought this was the no whining thread?

helping chicago BECOME...as in, in the future, as in with the cap room we gave them, and the high #1, and with paxson running the show, yeah, they have the pieces to become an elite team in the league.

in this case dude, the grass IS greener. don't tell me you wouldn't trade chicago's situation with ours...
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5/23/2006  10:30 PM
they have money to throw at Nazr or Joel or perhaps 4 time DPOY center Big Ben.

No guarantee he stays in Detroit.

there was already the incident where he refused to re-enter the game.

I wonder how many will run and hide along with Isiah if Chicago rolls out something like

Bargnini
Wallace
Nocioni
Hinrich
Gordon

as the starting 5

with Sweetney, Chandler, Duhon, Deng, and perhaps a Ronnie Brewer as the bench

[Edited by - McK1 on 05-23-2006 10:31 PM]
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