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gunsnewing
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5/23/2006  8:32 PM
this series...remember who was behind the bench for Detroit last year when they beat Miami and hung with the Spurs until the final minutes of game 7...for all those who are ready to gt rid of Larry Brown so easily like its going to make us a winning team any sooner. Fans like you as well as this organization deserve another 15yrs of mediocrity you ungrateful SCHMUCKS!!



[Edited by - gunsnewing on 05-23-2006 8:45 PM]
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5/23/2006  8:43 PM
Its a different yr, can't really compare. Wade is a yr better and last season he was hurting pretty bad during that series. Miami also had 7 days to rest Shaq for this first game as well.

Not that I dissagree though with the fact that we should keep Larry Brown. Come up with a game plan that everyone agrees with. And follow through with it. Bring in coachable 2 way players. Get rid of everyone else that doesn't fall under that category. And let Brown do his thing.
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5/23/2006  8:58 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

Fans like you as well as this organization deserve another 15yrs of mediocrity you ungrateful SCHMUCKS!!
WOW! Harsh words...Just remember this if Miami loses.
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5/24/2006  9:00 AM
Detroit is not playing the same as last year. The emphasis is more towards offense.

Many many variables so its not fair to directly compare despite the desire to do so.

But the Pistons should also be getting better. This core is now about 2.5 years together and the team defense if not what it was.

Larry is a pain in the arse and players tune him out because he is very detail oriented and gets on his players for the smallest details. Flip Murry catches the ball with two hands the Cavs might be playing instead of Detroit. A box out here or there can turn a series. Details and more details. This is why Larry is so highly regarded in the league.

Knicks need to settle in to a direction and stop playing games.
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5/24/2006  9:36 AM
LB doesn't need this series to validate his career. But yes we need to make a friggin decision.
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5/24/2006  1:19 PM
First off, this is a different Miami Team. Last year, when Wade struggled to score they lost....This year they have players who are more capable of picking up the scoring load....Walker, Payton, Williams etc....

"Man, who knows with this team." Aguirre.
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5/24/2006  1:29 PM
Wade and Shaq were BOTH injured in last year's series. No way Detroit beats them if they were both healty. I doubt it would even go 7 games. I agree with most of the posts that you can't really compare between seasons anyway.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 05-24-2006 1:30 PM]
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5/24/2006  1:34 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Detroit is not playing the same as last year. The emphasis is more towards offense.

Many many variables so its not fair to directly compare despite the desire to do so.

But the Pistons should also be getting better. This core is now about 2.5 years together and the team defense if not what it was.

Larry is a pain in the arse and players tune him out because he is very detail oriented and gets on his players for the smallest details. Flip Murry catches the ball with two hands the Cavs might be playing instead of Detroit. A box out here or there can turn a series. Details and more details. This is why Larry is so highly regarded in the league.

Knicks need to settle in to a direction and stop playing games.

Nalod get over it. Hell if and could have beens. If J-Kidd didn't have a bum knee 2 years ago, NJ would be playing against the Pacers and not Detroit. If both Wade and Shaq didn't come up lame against Detroit last year the Heat would probably make it to their first NBA finals. If Ewing could have stretch out his arms a little more... You see that's silly. Here another thought if Brown was more focus on the Piston gameplanning last year than other job prospects, Pistons would be celebrating back to back championships, looking to 3 peat.
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5/24/2006  1:39 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Detroit is not playing the same as last year. The emphasis is more towards offense.

Many many variables so its not fair to directly compare despite the desire to do so.

But the Pistons should also be getting better. This core is now about 2.5 years together and the team defense if not what it was.

Larry is a pain in the arse and players tune him out because he is very detail oriented and gets on his players for the smallest details. Flip Murry catches the ball with two hands the Cavs might be playing instead of Detroit. A box out here or there can turn a series. Details and more details. This is why Larry is so highly regarded in the league.

Knicks need to settle in to a direction and stop playing games.



If larry is so great, could you explain the 23 wins...
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5/24/2006  2:09 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Nalod:

Detroit is not playing the same as last year. The emphasis is more towards offense.

Many many variables so its not fair to directly compare despite the desire to do so.

But the Pistons should also be getting better. This core is now about 2.5 years together and the team defense if not what it was.

Larry is a pain in the arse and players tune him out because he is very detail oriented and gets on his players for the smallest details. Flip Murry catches the ball with two hands the Cavs might be playing instead of Detroit. A box out here or there can turn a series. Details and more details. This is why Larry is so highly regarded in the league.

Knicks need to settle in to a direction and stop playing games.

Nalod get over it. Hell if and could have beens. If J-Kidd didn't have a bum knee 2 years ago, NJ would be playing against the Pacers and not Detroit. If both Wade and Shaq didn't come up lame against Detroit last year the Heat would probably make it to their first NBA finals. If Ewing could have stretch out his arms a little more... You see that's silly. Here another thought if Brown was more focus on the Piston gameplanning last year than other job prospects, Pistons would be celebrating back to back championships, looking to 3 peat.

And if, and if, and if............

I repeat "many many variables so its not fair to compare despite the desire to do so".

So what does that mean...? And if, and if, and if!!!!!!!!

DIva owners over react. Davidson was pissed Brown said well before playoffs were started that "knicks were his dream job". Why, cuz he grew up a knick fan. not that he wanted out. Blah, blah, blah, he needed time off for bladder reasons and team preasured hiim back. BLah blah blah, DAVIDSON GRANTS CLEVELAND NEW OWNERSHIP TO TALK TO BROWN!. What does that tell you? Davidson wanted him out for health reasons and he was offended over NY Post article.

Ok, Fine.

Read todays papers? Larry now saying dolan made promises about roster changes that they are backing out of? And, he is very adamaent about the article about him going over Isiahs head. Now we all know Isiah and Dolan were courting him big time last summer and Talked alot about the roster.

23 wins. 23 vs. 33 wins. Who cares. Isiah traded the pick away. So why not try anything and everything to figure this roster out? What difference does it make other than fans getting pissed off. Its value is irrelevant. Next year a different story.

Seems that Isiah and Larry are on the same page most of the season.

Jaelen and Francis. Public display. or, "larry, you want francis or Starbury next year?" Francis Isiah! "Ok". That means he endorsed it. In fact, who cares who endorsed who.

Player value. Uh oh, Too bad Larry said those bad things cuz Im sure Kevin Mchale thought the team really loves having Marbs around the team! If anyone does not know whats up, it was Isiah who traded for starbury.

Nalods take: Leave it be. let Larry coach, and let Isiah fix this mess. 23 wins suck, but so does 33 games. I'd rather we strive for some fundamental goals of player developement than Isiah keep expanding things.

Deal with the facts, not incidental.

Its a fiasco either way.

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5/24/2006  2:14 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

this series...remember who was behind the bench for Detroit last year when they beat Miami and hung with the Spurs until the final minutes of game 7...for all those who are ready to gt rid of Larry Brown so easily like its going to make us a winning team any sooner. Fans like you as well as this organization deserve another 15yrs of mediocrity you ungrateful SCHMUCKS!!

Wade was injured last year and it still took a Detroit comeback in Game 7. Also, Sheed is injured this year, but I guess that's because Larry isn't there to tell him to tie his shoes the right way.

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5/24/2006  2:21 PM
I am fine with that, I think Brown and Thomas were looking to make changes when Dolan's people ran the numbers and said man, that Francis trade we just made, if we now move him we have to pay double luxury tax. Oh wait, some of these other moves... And Dolan and his execs took the standpoint of business and looking at numbers wonder if it was cheaper just to get Thomas to coach the team. As I long said this will be played out my seeing how deep Dolan's pockets are indeed. The problem is what happens if the Knicks don't make all the changes right away, what if it takes 2 years or 3. Apparently that is an issue with Brown (I can understand it too a little, he is 65) and not the organization. Remember, Brown was the one to place the ultimatium, which he nows also denies. So who knows. Joe Dumars, Davidison, Billy King and Pat Croce all accused Brown of pretty much the same thing. Coming in to the office of the GM and then going to the owner to make ultimatiums. I seriously believe Brown is bi-polar and due to his age, can no longer control his emotions. Maybe he wants to apologize to Dolan for the misunderstanding. He is claiming in the press he is committed to stay coach but who knows with him. That's a serious issue. Dolan wanted Phil or Brown. He gave that demand to Checketts, then to Layden and then to Thomas. Big name coach once again coaching at MSG, to help put people in back in the seats.
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5/24/2006  2:32 PM


But why would he come here unless he recieved promises about roster construction?

Brown lasted 6 years in Philly. Larry has had many jobs cuz he has been around a while.

Why hire him if you know he is a pain in the ass? He is, nobody denies this.

Hire the man, give him what he wants and let him do his job. Real simple.

Dolan is an idiot.
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5/24/2006  3:15 PM
Posted by Nalod:



But why would he come here unless he recieved promises about roster construction?

Brown lasted 6 years in Philly. Larry has had many jobs cuz he has been around a while.

Why hire him if you know he is a pain in the ass? He is, nobody denies this.

Hire the man, give him what he wants and let him do his job. Real simple.

Dolan is an idiot.

Pat Croce said Brown came to him about 3 times and made threats about quitting and retiring. Croce said it was an annual event.

Totally agreed that Dolan should have known. Maybe this is more of an issue because Dolan is very thin skinned when it comes to employee tatics. Donnie Walsh is probably the only GM that can claim that he got along good with Brown. From Joe D, Billy King, and Baylor. Red McCombs said Brown was coming into complain about something and he fired him on the spot. He didn't wait to discuss it with his GM. Maybe Brown apologizes, who knows but tomorrow, next week, next month, next season. This marriage will end badly. History is on Brown's side.
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5/24/2006  3:48 PM
The only thing I care about is us going in the right direction. If he gets us players that can win and gets them playing together and then parts ways great. It will be just like when Pat Riley left.
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5/24/2006  4:51 PM
Posted by Nalod:



But why would he come here unless he recieved promises about roster construction?
Did you not hear about the size of his contract?
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5/24/2006  4:54 PM
Larry Brown is bad man. Very, very bad man!
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5/24/2006  5:05 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Nalod:



But why would he come here unless he recieved promises about roster construction?
Did you not hear about the size of his contract?

All money with no clout? Isiah and Dolans boners were all over Larry. Larry the diva, larry the master of being the pain in the arse would have demanded control over roster and demanded that changes be made. If Dolan thought it would be too much money afterwards thats fine, but its a change of thinking, and they should pay larry his money and let him walk.

Bonnie, you 27 and student teaching? Tell me, is money everything to you? Or do you like what you do? Would seem Larry pulled out the juice card for the money, but he wanted what he wanted also. I think his ego would also want to be the man who bought glory back to the garden. Not just his fiddy mill!

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5/24/2006  9:41 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Nalod:



But why would he come here unless he recieved promises about roster construction?
Did you not hear about the size of his contract?

All money with no clout? Isiah and Dolans boners were all over Larry. Larry the diva, larry the master of being the pain in the arse would have demanded control over roster and demanded that changes be made. If Dolan thought it would be too much money afterwards thats fine, but its a change of thinking, and they should pay larry his money and let him walk.

Bonnie, you 27 and student teaching? Tell me, is money everything to you? Or do you like what you do? Would seem Larry pulled out the juice card for the money, but he wanted what he wanted also. I think his ego would also want to be the man who bought glory back to the garden. Not just his fiddy mill!

The only reason I do what I do is that I like it. That's because the money is not much of a reward. People go into million dollar jobs for the money (and sometimes because they like it too). People don't go into Ph.D. programs to become underpaid professors for the money! Do you think Larry would have taken the job if it were paying a very large income by most family's standards, perhaps $200K per year? Or even what the average coach makes (maybe $1 mil a year)? We'll never know how much clout he asked for or was promised, although I highly doubt it included the possibility of trading the 80% of the players away. But we do know he's making ten times what most good coaches make.


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 05-24-2006 9:42 PM]
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5/24/2006  10:00 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Wade and Shaq were BOTH injured in last year's series. No way Detroit beats them if they were both healty. I doubt it would even go 7 games. I agree with most of the posts that you can't really compare between seasons anyway.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 05-24-2006 1:30 PM]


but do u think Cleveland would've taken Detroit to 7games if Larry was coaching? Detroit was a great defensive team but not anymore
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