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Nalod
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5/19/2006  10:21 PM

ON NBA TV makes a good point. Cavs can't get offensive rebound!

Flip murry uses two hands to grab ball instead of on hand palm (gets ball knocked out) Cavs get ball with 12 secs left and a chance.

FUNDAMENTALS over and over again. Until you blue hearing it over and over...........Thats the kinda nudge Larry is and the kind that diva players hate!

Not knocking Flip Murrey, or Flip Saunders. By the way, what are the odds you got two "Flips" any way? Who names a kid "Flip" anyway? Or knickname for that matter?

Ok, this is why Larry is a great coach! Always teaching! Thats what I want my pro team to have. Strong fundamentals!

Even if its a role player like Snow! I'd take Snow for Marbury straight up. He takes care of the ball and is steady. We don't need a roster full of "starburys".
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5/19/2006  10:28 PM
Posted by Nalod:


ON NBA TV makes a good point. Cavs can't get offensive rebound!

Flip murry uses two hands to grab ball instead of on hand palm (gets ball knocked out) Cavs get ball with 12 secs left and a chance.

FUNDAMENTALS over and over again. Until you blue hearing it over and over...........Thats the kinda nudge Larry is and the kind that diva players hate!

Not knocking Flip Murrey, or Flip Saunders. By the way, what are the odds you got two "Flips" any way? Who names a kid "Flip" anyway? Or knickname for that matter?

Ok, this is why Larry is a great coach! Always teaching! Thats what I want my pro team to have. Strong fundamentals!

Even if its a role player like Snow! I'd take Snow for Marbury straight up. He takes care of the ball and is steady. We don't need a roster full of "starburys".



you can take him on your fantasy team but not my basketball team....

And Larry could be the coach of that team....





[Edited by - holfresh on 05-19-2006 10:30 PM]
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5/19/2006  10:34 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Nalod:


ON NBA TV makes a good point. Cavs can't get offensive rebound!

Flip murry uses two hands to grab ball instead of on hand palm (gets ball knocked out) Cavs get ball with 12 secs left and a chance.

FUNDAMENTALS over and over again. Until you blue hearing it over and over...........Thats the kinda nudge Larry is and the kind that diva players hate!

Not knocking Flip Murrey, or Flip Saunders. By the way, what are the odds you got two "Flips" any way? Who names a kid "Flip" anyway? Or knickname for that matter?

Ok, this is why Larry is a great coach! Always teaching! Thats what I want my pro team to have. Strong fundamentals!

Even if its a role player like Snow! I'd take Snow for Marbury straight up. He takes care of the ball and is steady. We don't need a roster full of "starburys".



you can take him on your fantasy team but not my basketball team....

And Larry could be the coach of that team....





[Edited by - holfresh on 05-19-2006 10:30 PM]


Fantasy teams don't have to react for 8 months to the scowl and the towel. fantasy teams don't have chemistry problems.

They pile on stats and win that way.

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5/19/2006  10:44 PM
Man I just can't wait til Dolan drop the ax on Larry's butt....That guy did everything to lose this year and you bguys are here trying to piont fingers at everyone else...It has been documented that the Garden brass thinks he tank the season and you guys still don't care...Amazing...THE COACH TRIED TO LOSE GAMES TO STRENGHTEN HIS OWN POSITION...Then I have to listen to guys like you, Bip,DJ,OLdfan tell me it was the right thing to do....Come on man, he had to expose the team for wHAt they really are....You know what, lie to me and try to win 50 games and get to the second round of the playoffs...Thats where I am now...If I have to live with Larry telling me the truth and winning 23 games, NO THANKS...I'm looking for the biggest damn lyingest coach in the frigging world if it gets me to the playoffs.....



[Edited by - holfresh on 05-19-2006 10:45 PM]

[Edited by - holfresh on 05-19-2006 10:47 PM]
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5/19/2006  10:47 PM
the pistons got 3 offensive boards in a row, to me that sealed the fate of the cavs not just for the game, but for the series, You have to get one of those boards.... why wasn't gooden in that game?

on a side note, billups looks like trash with out brown calling the plays, he doesn't blow by anyone, he is shooting bricks, forcing shots, doesn't create shots for anyone.. looks somewhat like a mess at times..... I think he misses brown the most...

I think the billups legend grew in that lakers series and he has been riding that wave until now...
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5/19/2006  10:51 PM
Posted by tkf:

the pistons got 3 offensive boards in a row, to me that sealed the fate of the cavs not just for the game, but for the series, You have to get one of those boards.... why wasn't gooden in that game?

on a side note, billups looks like trash with out brown calling the plays, he doesn't blow by anyone, he is shooting bricks, forcing shots, doesn't create shots for anyone.. looks somewhat like a mess at times..... I think he misses brown the most...

I think the billups legend grew in that lakers series and he has been riding that wave until now...



Where can I get my free water cooler sized Kool Aid bottle...




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5/19/2006  10:57 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by tkf:

the pistons got 3 offensive boards in a row, to me that sealed the fate of the cavs not just for the game, but for the series, You have to get one of those boards.... why wasn't gooden in that game?

on a side note, billups looks like trash with out brown calling the plays, he doesn't blow by anyone, he is shooting bricks, forcing shots, doesn't create shots for anyone.. looks somewhat like a mess at times..... I think he misses brown the most...

I think the billups legend grew in that lakers series and he has been riding that wave until now...



Where can I get my free water cooler sized Kool Aid bottle...





By your writing, you sound like your hooked up via I.V.
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5/19/2006  11:01 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by tkf:

the pistons got 3 offensive boards in a row, to me that sealed the fate of the cavs not just for the game, but for the series, You have to get one of those boards.... why wasn't gooden in that game?

on a side note, billups looks like trash with out brown calling the plays, he doesn't blow by anyone, he is shooting bricks, forcing shots, doesn't create shots for anyone.. looks somewhat like a mess at times..... I think he misses brown the most...

I think the billups legend grew in that lakers series and he has been riding that wave until now...



Where can I get my free water cooler sized Kool Aid bottle...





By your writing, you sound like your hooked up via I.V.


the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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5/19/2006  11:06 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by tkf:

the pistons got 3 offensive boards in a row, to me that sealed the fate of the cavs not just for the game, but for the series, You have to get one of those boards.... why wasn't gooden in that game?

on a side note, billups looks like trash with out brown calling the plays, he doesn't blow by anyone, he is shooting bricks, forcing shots, doesn't create shots for anyone.. looks somewhat like a mess at times..... I think he misses brown the most...

I think the billups legend grew in that lakers series and he has been riding that wave until now...



Where can I get my free water cooler sized Kool Aid bottle...





By your writing, you sound like your hooked up via I.V.



I'm not the one finding the excuses for Brown and blaming everyone else in every thread...

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5/19/2006  11:14 PM
Posted by holfresh:

Man I just can't wait til Dolan drop the ax on Larry's butt....That guy did everything to lose this year and you bguys are here trying to piont fingers at everyone else...It has been documented that the Garden brass thinks he tank the season and you guys still don't care...Amazing...THE COACH TRIED TO LOSE GAMES TO STRENGHTEN HIS OWN POSITION...Then I have to listen to guys like you, Bip,DJ,OLdfan tell me it was the right thing to do....Come on man, he had to expose the team for wHAt they really are....You know what, lie to me and try to win 50 games and get to the second round of the playoffs...Thats where I am now...If I have to live with Larry telling me the truth and winning 23 games, NO THANKS...I'm looking for the biggest damn lyingest coach in the frigging world if it gets me to the playoffs.....



[Edited by - holfresh on 05-19-2006 10:45 PM]

[Edited by - holfresh on 05-19-2006 10:47 PM]
Larry basically wrote a blueprint on how to lose your job. If a coach wanted for some reason to lose his job, I can't think of anything he'd do differently than what Larry did.
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5/20/2006  1:16 AM
I almost hope Brown gets fired, the teams win about 20 games again, just to see what the IT crew will say then. You guys must have voted for Bush the SECOND time around.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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5/20/2006  1:22 AM
Posted by simrud:

I almost hope Brown gets fired, the teams win about 20 games again, just to see what the IT crew will say then. You guys must have voted for Bush the SECOND time around.



Having Larry go into a second year would be the equivalent of having Bush in office a second term...The man sabotage the team and you still want to see him here...Don't worry he will coach again so you will get to root for him again...Meanwhile we will be here supporting the Knicks, because they matter more than any one individual...

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5/20/2006  1:29 AM
You know I would get into another agrument with you, but honestly I don't think its productive. Every time you are proven wrong you just come up with more excuses for IT and Dolan.

Time will embarass you more then anything I can say.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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5/20/2006  6:02 AM
Posted by Nalod:


ON NBA TV makes a good point. Cavs can't get offensive rebound!

Flip murry uses two hands to grab ball instead of on hand palm (gets ball knocked out) Cavs get ball with 12 secs left and a chance.

FUNDAMENTALS over and over again. Until you blue hearing it over and over...........Thats the kinda nudge Larry is and the kind that diva players hate!

Not knocking Flip Murrey, or Flip Saunders. By the way, what are the odds you got two "Flips" any way? Who names a kid "Flip" anyway? Or knickname for that matter?

Ok, this is why Larry is a great coach! Always teaching! Thats what I want my pro team to have. Strong fundamentals!

Even if its a role player like Snow! I'd take Snow for Marbury straight up. He takes care of the ball and is steady. We don't need a roster full of "starburys".

This is assuming that the players quit on Brown because his teachings were to tough for them. His style of stressing the fundamentals and riding the players to do it right was to hard for them. But what about the *possibility* that it wasn't him stressing the fundamentals being to tough for them and they couldn't handle it. But him putting them down to the public. And them feeling disrespected time after time?? I don't know how much of a fact it is. But it is also said that he rarley communicated with the players. *If this was the case*, then maybe if he wanted a more positive response, he should have had a more positive approach. Almost the same things Marbury gets called a diva for on this board and trashed for his lack of leadership. Instead of promoting everyone else and putting his player down. He should have showed he had his players back and showed a little more respect toward them. Earning there trust and respect to want do run through a brick wall for him. Say your an employee and your boss promotes other employees and belittles you to others and everyone is aware of it. How would you handle it? And can you expect everyone to handle it the same way? Also if he would have coached his ass off this season during the games and we won more games. Then that would have probably been able to offset some of this stuff.

Just bringing up the possibilities. You gotta look at both sides. Can't just assume the players are all at fault here. Can't assume Brown is all at fault either. None of us know the facts but Brown and the players.

Another thing about Brown and young players. The question about that isn't if Brown is cappable of developing young players. The question is as of right now is he willing. When he coached the young players before, he was younger as well. He was willing to invest that time to see it pay off in the future. But now that he is older and probably only has a few yrs left before he decides to retire. Is he willing to do that or does he want veterans so he could win now before he decides to call it quits.
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5/20/2006  8:50 AM
newyorknewyork-honest post. I don't believe that Brown is "just win now". He left every team he has been with in better shape than he left. Not a true rap on young players, AI was young when he got him as was Tayshaun Prince and many others. If you play right you play. Tanl a season maybe but not for the sake of tanking the season-more like experiment to determine what they have, don't have or need.

Think about it-this was his chance to leave a legacy like his idol Red Holzman and be the grand old man in his home town-what was the mecca of basketball.
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5/20/2006  10:16 AM
Posted by tkf:

on a side note, billups looks like trash with out brown calling the plays, he doesn't blow by anyone, he is shooting bricks, forcing shots, doesn't create shots for anyone.. looks somewhat like a mess at times..... I think he misses brown the most...

I think the billups legend grew in that lakers series and he has been riding that wave until now...

Billups was just an MVP candidate and lead the PIstons all year.

yeah...he really missus brown
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5/20/2006  3:30 PM
Larry should have taken them to Carvel more, given out at exit interviews nice participation trophies, and gold stars or shiny pencils with little basketball erasers when they made good players.

HOw about mutual respect, like playing defesne, following orders (being coachable) showing up in shape, not hung over, knowing all about the shot clock, not being delusional (reezy was interesting at times) and having your quarterback follow your instructions?

What about earning respect. 33 years of coaching will get you an understanding of how young men should work.
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5/20/2006  4:08 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Larry should have taken them to Carvel more, given out at exit interviews nice participation trophies, and gold stars or shiny pencils with little basketball erasers when they made good players.

HOw about mutual respect, like playing defesne, following orders (being coachable) showing up in shape, not hung over, knowing all about the shot clock, not being delusional (reezy was interesting at times) and having your quarterback follow your instructions?

What about earning respect. 33 years of coaching will get you an understanding of how young men should work.

33 years of coaching will tell you how to turn your players off. Get real Larry lost the team soon as he started changing lineups on the whim.



[Edited by - Vmart on 05-20-2006 4:08 PM]
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5/20/2006  6:56 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Larry should have taken them to Carvel more, given out at exit interviews nice participation trophies, and gold stars or shiny pencils with little basketball erasers when they made good players.

HOw about mutual respect, like playing defesne, following orders (being coachable) showing up in shape, not hung over, knowing all about the shot clock, not being delusional (reezy was interesting at times) and having your quarterback follow your instructions?

What about earning respect. 33 years of coaching will get you an understanding of how young men should work.

Putting down your team through the media is never right. Reguardless if there struggling to pick up what he is trying to teach. You can't tell me either that all through preseason and the begining of the season that the team wasn't playing with effort. They averaged around the most rebounds and fewest pts given up for preseason. People were talking about how they were proud of the knicks. So I don't know if they started rebelling Larry Brown's way as soon as he came in the way your making it seem. Your not considering the players side at all. Your putting them all at fault. Im not trying to defend the players and blame Larry Brown. Try to have an open mind. It isn't allways black or white. Most of the time its grey.

I also beleive quitting is still wrong by the players who ever truely did even with what was going on. You don't do that to us fans. Especially the wons who pay to see you play.
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