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5/19/2006  2:09 PM
Q: I am having mixed feelings about the possibility of Isiah coaching the Knicks next year. While it will be glorious just to watch him awkwardly pacing the sidelines, next year will have to be his last year, right? When a team produced and coached by Isiah Thomas finishes 30-52, even Dolan will have to admit that Isiah does not know how to run an NBA franchise, right? This means that every non-Knicks fan will have to live without the hope that Isiah will buy out their damaged-goods swingman. It will be a sad day. I was wondering if you had any similar thoughts or were just happy to see Isiah go out with a bang? --Eric Morganson, Mountain View, Calif.

SG: Come on, I'm delighted! The only thing funnier than Isiah building this roster would be him trying to coach it. Factoring in the city, the franchise, the fan base, the amount of money spent, the staggering number of bad decisions, the lack of overall plan, the Larry Brown part, the squandering of cap space for LeBron's free agency in 2008, and the lack of hope until 2009/2010 at the earliest, I truly believe that Isiah's Knicks stint is going to go down as the biggest management disaster in modern sports history when everything is said and done. We will be talking about what happened for decades and decades. Books will be written. Movies will be made. Every future disastrous executive will be compared to him. He's the "Heaven's Gate" or "Cop Rock" of sports executives.

To really push things over the top, he needs to coach next year's team and completely butcher the season, followed by the Bulls ending up with their No. 1 pick in 2007 and taking Greg Oden, then LeBron signing with the Brooklyn Nets. And even then, after all of that, Isiah wouldn't have done as much damage to the Knicks as he did to the CBA. Well, unless the franchise ends up disbanding. Which is possible.
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5/19/2006  2:28 PM
thats about right
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5/19/2006  2:36 PM
Not defending Isiah but he makes it sound like Isiah did more harm to a franchise than Elgin Baylor did

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 05-19-2006 2:37 PM]
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5/19/2006  2:43 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Not defending Isiah but he makes it sound like Isiah did more harm to a franchise than Elgin Baylor did

Elgin was always better at obtaining talent than the owner was at keeping it.
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5/19/2006  3:12 PM
That's right on.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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5/19/2006  3:48 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Not defending Isiah but he makes it sound like Isiah did more harm to a franchise than Elgin Baylor did

Elgin was always better at obtaining talent than the owner was at keeping it.

Not that hard when you pay lottery rent. Knicks have been in the lottery 5 times in 25 years. The Clippers just finished a run of being in the lottery for the last 20 years. Lets keep it accurate.
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5/19/2006  3:56 PM
Clippers did not overpay players. CLippers were not to be a fan of.

Sterling ran the club as a business and it was profitable. They are currently debt free and are commited to product. Lets keep it real accurate.

Look at the players they let walk. They admit mistakes and don't compound them.

Bonn, The Knicks are a historical joke. For the ages.

Isiah = Ishtar

Isiah's legacy won't be for his hall of fame playing career, it will be for this freaking mess.
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5/19/2006  3:56 PM

Sports Guy has had a bug up his arse about Isiah ever since isiah responded to him on SAS show...It gave him exra burn and relevance...I love him, but he spews extra with Isiah because there is a chance Isaih responds and helps him get a bit in the spotlight...



[Edited by - holfresh on 05-19-2006 3:57 PM]
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5/19/2006  3:57 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Not defending Isiah but he makes it sound like Isiah did more harm to a franchise than Elgin Baylor did

Elgin was always better at obtaining talent than the owner was at keeping it.

Not that hard when you pay lottery rent. Knicks have been in the lottery 5 times in 25 years. The Clippers just finished a run of being in the lottery for the last 20 years. Lets keep it accurate.

Yes but imagine having a front office that can acquire good lottery talent and keep them. That's what I've been advocating for a long time against our persistent push for the playoffs at all costs.
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5/19/2006  4:09 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Not defending Isiah but he makes it sound like Isiah did more harm to a franchise than Elgin Baylor did

Elgin was always better at obtaining talent than the owner was at keeping it.
That's a good point, but I still think a good GM could put together better pieces than Elgin did. I mean, his team made the playoffs twice in twenty years. Plenty of under the cap teams make the playoffs.
Bonn, The Knicks are a historical joke. For the ages.

I wouldn't deny that they're very bad. The clippers too for about 20 years were a historical joke. With the knicks, I think the historical joke has more to do with the combination of payroll and performance than just performance. If it were just performance, they'd be a very bad team, but nothing noteworthy historically. (They didn't even have the worst record in the league.)

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 05-19-2006 4:12 PM]
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5/19/2006  4:13 PM
Bonn, it's not about the record. It's about the atmosphere and losing attitudes, negative feeling in general. It spreads like the f'in plague.
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WE could win 35-40 games and still be hopeless. Fans will be happy because they get a few playoff games. The place will be sold out. but everyone in their hearts will know we have no chance for a title. We need to change the culture of this organization that is driving for more than mediocrity. Dolan is slowly brainwashing us into accepting playoff appearances over building towards a true title contender. It's sad.
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5/19/2006  4:20 PM
We're not even getting into the playoffs! 1 appearance in 6 years.
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5/19/2006  4:30 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

WE could win 35-40 games and still be hopeless. Fans will be happy because they get a few playoff games. The place will be sold out. but everyone in their hearts will know we have no chance for a title. We need to change the culture of this organization that is driving for more than mediocrity. Dolan is slowly brainwashing us into accepting playoff appearances over building towards a true title contender. It's sad.
The organization is driving for money, not mediocrity; mediocrity is good enough for them to make huge money, though, and is why they don't strive higher.

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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Not defending Isiah but he makes it sound like Isiah did more harm to a franchise than Elgin Baylor did

Elgin was always better at obtaining talent than the owner was at keeping it.
That's a good point, but I still think a good GM could put together better pieces than Elgin did. I mean, his team made the playoffs twice in twenty years. Plenty of under the cap teams make the playoffs.
Bonn, The Knicks are a historical joke. For the ages.

I wouldn't deny that they're very bad. The clippers too for about 20 years were a historical joke. With the knicks, I think the historical joke has more to do with the combination of payroll and performance than just performance. If it were just performance, they'd be a very bad team, but nothing noteworthy historically. (They didn't even have the worst record in the league.)

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 05-19-2006 4:12 PM]


Bonn, the clips let a lot of players walk that really were not worthy of resigning.

The owner is reponsable to keeping contracts. The GM follows the owners desire to spend. The clips sucked cuz they were cheap beyond belief. Forget the recent success, im not even going to compare Elgin to Isiah. Different circumstances, different business objectives.

Isiah is the funny flava of the year. Simmons got it bad for Isiah this year. Fur Shur.
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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Bippity10:

WE could win 35-40 games and still be hopeless. Fans will be happy because they get a few playoff games. The place will be sold out. but everyone in their hearts will know we have no chance for a title. We need to change the culture of this organization that is driving for more than mediocrity. Dolan is slowly brainwashing us into accepting playoff appearances over building towards a true title contender. It's sad.
The organization is driving for money, not mediocrity; mediocrity is good enough for them to make huge money, though, and is why they don't strive higher.


You're right. That's pretty much what I've been saying for five years now. Although to some I apparently am just developing this point of view because I love LB and can't stand to see him go.

It's all about money. Every thing we do is money. Every decision we make is about money. It's never about basketball. Make a quick buck. Wehn the team sucks and we aren't making money, scapegoat someone(usually the coach or star player because that's easy) so you can keep your job long enough so that if the team does get lucky you can take all the credit. It's been going on for years and yet still some think it's about LB.
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Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Bippity10:

WE could win 35-40 games and still be hopeless. Fans will be happy because they get a few playoff games. The place will be sold out. but everyone in their hearts will know we have no chance for a title. We need to change the culture of this organization that is driving for more than mediocrity. Dolan is slowly brainwashing us into accepting playoff appearances over building towards a true title contender. It's sad.
The organization is driving for money, not mediocrity; mediocrity is good enough for them to make huge money, though, and is why they don't strive higher.


You're right. That's pretty much what I've been saying for five years now. Although to some I apparently am just developing this point of view because I love LB and can't stand to see him go.

It's all about money. Every thing we do is money. Every decision we make is about money. It's never about basketball. Make a quick buck. Wehn the team sucks and we aren't making money, scapegoat someone(usually the coach or star player because that's easy) so you can keep your job long enough so that if the team does get lucky you can take all the credit. It's been going on for years and yet still some think it's about LB.

How we making money? 180 with tax plus larry and Isiah and coaches. Gotta be $200 mil in payroll plus travel expenses, and others.

It ain't money, its Dolans insanity! Be loyal to Dolan and your well taken care of. He'd make a good Don!
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Posted by Nalod:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Bippity10:

WE could win 35-40 games and still be hopeless. Fans will be happy because they get a few playoff games. The place will be sold out. but everyone in their hearts will know we have no chance for a title. We need to change the culture of this organization that is driving for more than mediocrity. Dolan is slowly brainwashing us into accepting playoff appearances over building towards a true title contender. It's sad.
The organization is driving for money, not mediocrity; mediocrity is good enough for them to make huge money, though, and is why they don't strive higher.


You're right. That's pretty much what I've been saying for five years now. Although to some I apparently am just developing this point of view because I love LB and can't stand to see him go.

It's all about money. Every thing we do is money. Every decision we make is about money. It's never about basketball. Make a quick buck. Wehn the team sucks and we aren't making money, scapegoat someone(usually the coach or star player because that's easy) so you can keep your job long enough so that if the team does get lucky you can take all the credit. It's been going on for years and yet still some think it's about LB.

How we making money? 180 with tax plus larry and Isiah and coaches. Gotta be $200 mil in payroll plus travel expenses, and others.

It ain't money, its Dolans insanity! Be loyal to Dolan and your well taken care of. He'd make a good Don!


You don't think dolan is making money????
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5/19/2006  5:01 PM
Yeah, I don't know how, but the knicks are profitable. ticket sales are still high, concession stand rents, apparel and televison rights and rebroadcast rights (doesn't hurt when the franchise is owned by the cable company so all license fees and revenues are kept in-house) and television and Garden ad sales.

And all the turmoil and drama of this season only served to keep interest high. People would tune in just to watch us implode before their eyes.
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5/19/2006  7:30 PM
Next season all depends on the development of Curry, Fyre, Lee, Nate, Woods and on a smaller level Butler. And if we come away with another good player out of this draft.

If that all happends. And Isiah somehow finds away to move Francis-Rose etc and lands a stud. That would probably be the only way for him to redeem himself for putting us through this last season.
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