here comes the "STOP BLAMING MARBURY" posts.

that's a reasonable scenario & probably not that far from the actual truth, but as far as LB's use of Curry is concerned, i don't think he purposely sabotaged things so that Curry's lack of performance would make Isiah look bad... i think that's all on Curry himself for not getting himself into shape to start off the season & for not playing aggressively for the minutes he was on the floor all too often... i can't blame LB for that 1 bit... he practically begged Curry to be more aggressive all season long... what else can he really do?

Posted by djsunyc:

how much of this is spite b/c of the bulls pick?

how much of this "win" total is made b/c we didn't have our pick?

how many times did we ask layden's teams to tank for a better pick but since we didn't have one, we had to win more games? you think that zeke sold it to dolan that we'd win 41 games with curry and that giving up the pick means nothing...but since lb didn't coach for wins, it left isiah with his d!ck in his hands and the #1 or #2 pick going to chicago?

Definitely that was the point of making the trade, that we wouldn't be the worst team in the league and indeed we should not have been.

You saying LB didn't coach for wins, like thats some casual thing is amazing to me. What other way is there to coach? You play the game to win, if LB didn't coach to win how do you feel thats okay?

I agree with TMS in the sense that EC was put in a position to win, moreso than probably any other player. I don't think LB did it the right way because constantly dumping it down to a guy who has an array of 1 post move seems stupid to me, but I do think he tried to get Curry into nearly every game as far as playing time is concerned. I think he probably ran more plays for EC than any other player, we dumped it down to him alot, I just think he should have tried pther things with him once it was apparent that was not working out so well (which was about December, imo).

you have to wonder why LB kept going with something that was not working.

I also think that however he spoke to or dealt with him apaprently wasn't very encouraging, because of the comment when Curry said he was shocked the LB referred to him as the future of the franchise. EC said it as if LB had never said a positive word to him ever, and I dont think thats how you coach a 22-23 year old, he's still a very young guy, soft-spoken and shy, I dont think he did that right.

[Edited by - killa4luv on 05-16-2006 3:01 PM]

Posted by TMS:

that's a reasonable scenario & probably not that far from the actual truth, but as far as LB's use of Curry is concerned, i don't think he purposely sabotaged things so that Curry's lack of performance would make Isiah look bad... i think that's all on Curry himself for not getting himself into shape to start off the season & for not playing aggressively for the minutes he was on the floor all too often... i can't blame LB for that 1 bit... he practically begged Curry to be more aggressive all season long... what else can he really do?

A reasonable scenario indeed except for the Rose and Francis pushes by Isiah. Even two of Brown's biggest supporters said today, don't buy these reports that Isiah convinced Brown to go along with the deals, that Larry was just following Isiah is insane. I think both Thomas and Brown panic about the season. I do believe Isiah is pissed at Brown because like Ian O'Connor reported Thomas gave up alot of power to Brown on player decisions. Brown wanted Q-Woods, Isiah didn't, Q-Woods was signed for the remainder of the season. Thomas loved Ariza and believed in him, called him part of the Knicks future before the beginning of the season. Brown wasn't a fan, Ariza was shipped to Orlando. Don't forget Brown admitted to being consulted about the trade for Curry. Went futher to say that Curry is better than any player coming out of the draft.

Posted by TMS:

LB tried to get the best out of Curry all season long... i don't think you can put much into that idea... if Curry had performed up to LB's expectations, we wouldn't be having any discussions about losing out on a draft pick next year.

I'm still telling you guys, it's Jerome James fault! He was supposed to be the force in the middle and Curry was supposed to be his back up! Considering, Curry actually didn't do so bad.