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McK1
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5/16/2006  8:58 AM
May 16, 2006 -- WHAT we have here is a failure to excommunicate.

All this time, I had it wrong. I figured Isiah Thomas hired someone who would end up sabotaging him and taking his job.

Not the other way around.

Much to the delight of no one in particular, Thomas is staying and Larry Brown is an agreed contract buyout away from being drum-rolled out of his dream job.

"The number is $25 million," reveals the same snitch who leaked Sunday's story regarding the Knicks' plot to create coach space for Thomas by bustin' Brown to an unrestricted private.

That's the magic number echoing throughout the dead brain chamber of Cablevision (biz)czar James Dolan. It's roughly $19 million lower than what's owed over the next four years in salary and perks to the 66-year-old. Ten months ago, Brown pocketed $7 million when Pistons owner Bill Davidson dumped him after Detroit came within minutes of winning a second straight NBA championship.

My source is unsure whether that number, or any number, has been presented to Joe Glass, Brown's longstanding agent, who does all the dirty work that doesn't show up in Larry's stained stat sheet. But apparently that's what Dolan is prepared to pay to liberate the Knicks of a contrary coach who has been fed up for months with both his employers and employees.

"They're making things so uncomfortable for him, they're hoping he walks," said someone monitoring both sides of the epicenter. "But we all know that ain't happenin' in our lifetime. Not unless Larry's already halfway to his next multi-million job, which is positively conceivable."

According to an assistant coach, Thomas has been subverting Brown's authority with the players almost from the moment his coach began to undermine (read: devalue) his roster to the media. We're talking very early in the season.

From then on, there was hostility among the troops. "It's like two competing militias in Lebanon," underlined an extremist view of the scene.

Late in the season, I'm told Brown notified Thomas, "If you want me back you've got to get rid of five players." My informant declined to name names, maintaining a source isn't necessary to figure it out. So, we're talking Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis, Jalen Rose and Jerome James for sure. Nate Robinson or Maurice Taylor has to be the fifth.

Immediately after the Knicks' 23-59 sorry season expired, Thomas convened the usual exit meeting that all teams do. Both the GM/president and the coach separately get together with each individual player. Brown asked Thomas not to hold his encounter sessions, but he refused.

"Larry knew Isiah would undermine him further with the players and he was correct," disclosed a member of Brown's camp.

Subsequently, Thomas divulged to a Knicks beat writer that eight players had told him they don't want to play for Brown. Shortly thereafter, Thomas alerted Brown the five players weren't going anywhere.

In at least one case, that's completely opposite than what Thomas told Brown when he consented to lie about endorsing the acquisition of Rose. Thomas promised he'd only keep him for the remainder of the season, but recently he told Brown he intends to keep him the coming season as well.

I've got to believe the same scenario played out when Brown pretended to like Thomas' unfathomable procurement of the maximum compensated Francis (three years and $57M left).

Thomas' plan (who says he doesn't have one?) is to make Larry's life as unpleasant as possible in hopes he goes away on his volition, or is so unhappy he accepts far less than the $25M number.

Part II is for Thomas to leave his customary spot, skulking in the MSG tunnel, for a seat on the bench. That's tantamount to the arsonist who sets the fire, then tries to put it out so he can become the hero.

And you wonder why I call it Fablevision?

I'm guessing a letter of recommendation for Next Town's next six jobs is out of the question.

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5/16/2006  9:07 AM
In at least one case, that's completely opposite than what Thomas told Brown when he consented to lie about endorsing the acquisition of Rose. Thomas promised he'd only keep him for the remainder of the season, but recently he told Brown he intends to keep him the coming season as well.

I've got to believe the same scenario played out when Brown pretended to like Thomas' unfathomable procurement of the maximum compensated Francis (three years and $57M left).


interesting.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 05-16-2006 09:07 AM]

[Edited by - joec32033 on 05-16-2006 09:08 AM]
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5/16/2006  9:10 AM
We seriously going to go at it with Francis and Marbury?
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5/16/2006  9:16 AM
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5/16/2006  9:26 AM
Im not trying to undermine the fact that something is obviously happening regarding Brown, but I dont believe a single word Peter Vecsey says. He's a man with an overactive bile disorder.
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5/16/2006  9:30 AM
Posted by firefly:

Im not trying to undermine the fact that something is obviously happening regarding Brown, but I dont believe a single word Peter Vecsey says. He's a man with an overactive bile disorder.

Not to mention he contradict every single word he mentioned in this article with his reports that Brown told Thomas to go after Francis. Too bad his "source" lied to him before.
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5/16/2006  9:49 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by firefly:

Im not trying to undermine the fact that something is obviously happening regarding Brown, but I dont believe a single word Peter Vecsey says. He's a man with an overactive bile disorder.

Not to mention he contradict every single word he mentioned in this article with his reports that Brown told Thomas to go after Francis. Too bad his "source" lied to him before.

I was thinking the same thing. Now he is trying to paint the picture so radically different than the consensus picture that has been painted. Isiah was undermining Brown? Gimme a break. Now Brown didn't want Stevie and Jalen, Vescey is a clown.
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5/16/2006  10:06 AM
this is a ridiculous power struggle between Isiah & LB & us fans are paying the price for it... it's a complete farse! blow everything up... FIRE EVERYONE! UNLOAD ALL THE SPOILED PRIMADONNA GARBAGE!!! i can't stand this anymore... i'd rather watch a team full of CBA players who care enough to play hard every night w/o any secondary agendas than this crap we're being exposed to.
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5/16/2006  10:18 AM
Every day on the other board I was told that Larry was a snake and he was doing everything to undermine Thomas so as to take his office job.

Eventually I wrote a satirical piece about how Isiah was loading up the roster with uncoachable guys to undermine Brown so he could take his bench job.

Looks like my satire was right, and once again, fact proves stranger than fiction. And as bad as one can imagine a situation at Cablevision, it's probably worse.

And BTW, Brown bashers kept saying that even Antonio Davis had turned on Brown, but that wasn't true. AD had remarked at how things here were a circus with competing interests between Brown and Isiah, and he was happy to be around guys who were listening to their coach. They assumed that meant brown hates rookies, but it's more likely the case that brown hated Isiah's prima donna elite guys, the one he had to play to satisfy the owner who was paying for them and who thought they were good. My hunch is he'd have rather been playing our summer league squad, who time after time he had to go to to bring us back into games.

Oh, it's a fine mess you've made of this place, Isiah Thomas. May it bury you before you bury us.
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5/16/2006  10:22 AM
Posted by TMS:

this is a ridiculous power struggle between Isiah & LB & us fans are paying the price for it... it's a complete farse! blow everything up... FIRE EVERYONE! UNLOAD ALL THE SPOILED PRIMADONNA GARBAGE!!! i can't stand this anymore... i'd rather watch a team full of CBA players who care enough to play hard every night w/o any secondary agendas than this crap we're being exposed to.

I bet a team of Mike James, Raja Bell, Stephen Jackson, Marcus Fizer, and Mark Blount can beat this team. Dood look at this team you can make up of just CBA Call-ups on NBA rosters now...

Mark Blount/Butler
Fizer/Aaron Williams
Stephen Jackson/Bruce Bowen
Raja Bell/Adrian Griffin/David Wesley
Mike James/Rafer Alston/Earl Boykins

IL-Linton Johnson, Chucky Atkins,

http://www.cbahoopsonline.com/history_callups.html

[Edited by - joec32033 on 05-16-2006 10:23 AM]
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5/16/2006  10:29 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by firefly:

Im not trying to undermine the fact that something is obviously happening regarding Brown, but I dont believe a single word Peter Vecsey says. He's a man with an overactive bile disorder.

Not to mention he contradict every single word he mentioned in this article with his reports that Brown told Thomas to go after Francis. Too bad his "source" lied to him before.

I was thinking the same thing. Now he is trying to paint the picture so radically different than the consensus picture that has been painted. Isiah was undermining Brown? Gimme a break. Now Brown didn't want Stevie and Jalen, Vescey is a clown.

why is this so hard to believe that isiah didn't in turn undermine brown as well? it's not like isiah is the pillar of integrity you know. isiah had full control of EVERYTHING before brown got here. he had HIS assistant coaches. he stripped lenny and herb of their authority and he was pulling the strings. then he had to relinquish all of that for lb...but two of his guys were still part of the staff (which makes NO sense). maybe lb never really had any authority here...but he's the first guy that wasn't going to take it lying down. maybe that's what took his criticisms to another level in the press. maybe that's what antonio davis was talking about when he said everybody needs to be more professional. i mean marbury is an idiot, but to think he wasn't "encouraged" by other people to go back at brown would be foolish.

it's a clash of egos where both guys are at fault so i don't know why this would sound so unbelievable.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-16-2006 10:32 AM]
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5/16/2006  10:32 AM
is it too much to ask to watch a team play basketball w/o any of the soap opera nonsense & finger pointing? thank God for baseball, cuz i'd be going completely insane right now if i didn't have something to take my mind off this ridiculous situation the Knicks are in.
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5/16/2006  10:32 AM
LB's pre-season remarks:

I've got an assitant for every player and the first time in my life I'm taking media training classes.

LB felt the management style of Thomas was a joke from the beginning.

the digs at the roster Isiah asembled were just to drive the point home
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5/16/2006  10:33 AM
Posted by TMS:

is it too much to ask to watch a team play basketball w/o any of the soap opera nonsense & finger pointing? thank God for baseball, cuz i'd be going completely insane right now if i didn't have something to take my mind off this ridiculous situation the Knicks are in.

not when you hire a snake in the grass GM and throw a stubborn mule into the mix.

dolan has no idea what he's doing. and neither does mills.
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5/16/2006  11:01 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by firefly:

Im not trying to undermine the fact that something is obviously happening regarding Brown, but I dont believe a single word Peter Vecsey says. He's a man with an overactive bile disorder.

Not to mention he contradict every single word he mentioned in this article with his reports that Brown told Thomas to go after Francis. Too bad his "source" lied to him before.

I was thinking the same thing. Now he is trying to paint the picture so radically different than the consensus picture that has been painted. Isiah was undermining Brown? Gimme a break. Now Brown didn't want Stevie and Jalen, Vescey is a clown.

why is this so hard to believe that isiah didn't in turn undermine brown as well? it's not like isiah is the pillar of integrity you know. isiah had full control of EVERYTHING before brown got here. he had HIS assistant coaches. he stripped lenny and herb of their authority and he was pulling the strings. then he had to relinquish all of that for lb...but two of his guys were still part of the staff (which makes NO sense). maybe lb never really had any authority here...but he's the first guy that wasn't going to take it lying down. maybe that's what took his criticisms to another level in the press. maybe that's what antonio davis was talking about when he said everybody needs to be more professional. i mean marbury is an idiot, but to think he wasn't "encouraged" by other people to go back at brown would be foolish.

it's a clash of egos where both guys are at fault so i don't know why this would sound so unbelievable.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-16-2006 10:32 AM]

I guess Thomas also told Brown to make comments like he wouldn't trade Curry for anybody in this draft and Thomas had to tell Brown to spend 3 minutes critizing JJ Reddick and Morrison to back up his point. I guess Thomas also told Brown to tell Starbury that he had final say on personnel. Yes I see, it makes sense now.
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