this marc stein chat moment is kind of how I feel about some folks on the board at the moment, people need to stop making excuses for Larry and acting like he was anything but a miserable failure:

Brian (pa): Getting to the essence of the Larry Brown/Knicks saga... Didn't he HAVE to make everyone miserbale? Didn't he HAVE to have them lose a ton of games, it was the only way for things to CHANGE.. what good would coaching this team to 35 wins have done?

Marc Stein: (12:54 PM ET ) Huh? So you think it was a good idea for Larry to alienate a bunch of players with hard-to-trade contracts? He was supposed to take a 33-win team to 41-41 or thereabouts. In other words, he was supposed to do what Phil Jackson did with the Lakers. Was that unreasonable? Does Phil have more to work with, in the West, than Larry had with the Knicks?

I would say Kobe/Odom is more to work with than what Larry had, yes.

Larry sucked last year. Bad job. His history shows two things. One is that he's able to turn records around. The other is he's able to have great basketball relationships with players he initially had great dificulty with. Nobody is saying to trade Frye for Tony Battie or Ratliff, but go get Brown a couple of role players he wants and dump some of the mistakes like Mo T and Jalen Rose. If it means buy out or waive then so be it.

Then if your Isiah tell Marbury that the first step in being a leader will be doing exactly what the coach asks on the court and in practice.

Dumping LB is premature, 25+ years of history says so. Nobody's saying he's done a good job. Nobody

Nobody's saying he's done a good job. Nobody

Not anymore at least.

oohah

Posted by fishmike:

I would say Kobe/Odom is more to work with than what Larry had, yes.

Larry sucked last year. Bad job. His history shows two things. One is that he's able to turn records around. The other is he's able to have great basketball relationships with players he initially had great dificulty with. Nobody is saying to trade Frye for Tony Battie or Ratliff, but go get Brown a couple of role players he wants and dump some of the mistakes like Mo T and Jalen Rose. If it means buy out or waive then so be it.

Then if your Isiah tell Marbury that the first step in being a leader will be doing exactly what the coach asks on the court and in practice.

Dumping LB is premature, 25+ years of history says so. Nobody's saying he's done a good job. Nobody

okay, I agree.

but there is another part of Brown's history that has been proven again and again over 25 years - he tries to get too much control of the roster and usually gets fired in the process. Happened in Detroit when he tried to get Dumars to trade Billups AFTER the championship. Happened in Indiana. Happened in LAC, NJN and SAS.

I don't know how anyone can deny his "acid reflux" incident was yet another power play now that he's said he "just had the flu."

they'd still be the NJ Nets to me... i couldn't ever root for them.

i'm beginning to really like the Clippers though.

Posted by martin:

Just wondering. If the cluster**** continunes.... any fans thinking about switching over to Brooklyn Nets fans?

Hell no. I don't care that they'll be in NY. It's a Yankees vs. Mets thing, you pick one, and I've made my choice.

I will still be a Knicks fan, but I dont really think this is the best move for the franchise. Too much change at the coaching position has definitely hurt this team almost as much as roster turnover and poor chemistry. Its a mixture of many different things as you all know - and this would only add more fuel to the bonfire the knicks franchise is burning up in.

Posted by Killa4luv:

You guys are an unreal bunch of bitches. I can't believe it, from the ****ing site owner no less. What a bunch of bitches you all are. Over Larry Brown. This is what we talking about....Larry Brown? LOL!

Switching teams because of LB going is just the most ridiculous thing ever. It would be equivalent to me switching if Steph was traded. I would never even think of it. You guys are not fans. This guy is a coach who was here for 1 year and did a miserable job, the worst in professional sports history by some accounts.

Who needs fans like you guys anyways? Scram you ****ing panzies!

Get off your high-horse Killa. Don't come here to play Jesus.

Posted by OasisBU:

I will still be a Knicks fan, but I dont really think this is the best move for the franchise. Too much change at the coaching position has definitely hurt this team almost as much as roster turnover and poor chemistry. Its a mixture of many different things as you all know - and this would only add more fuel to the bonfire the knicks franchise is burning up in.

Personally I don't want Dolan to fire Brown, I can understand why he is so tempted. Make Brown earned every single penny. I seen this act from Larry 'I take the dough and go' Brown. You now have these silly reports that saying Thomas was supporting the players meanwhile even Brown admits to both Thomas and Dolan talking to players about how they support Brown and they should listen to Brown. Did Brown appreciate that, did he say wow my GM and owner supports me to these high paid players. No, just the opposite, he makes comments like he doesn't like that. I guess he felt they somehow undermined his power.