I was just having a heated discussion on this topic at work. Nash should not be on this list yet!

WOODMANnYk,

Why not post the article?

Did someone honestly think Marbs would be in there?

Marbury might not make top ten NYC PG's. He definitely makes the top ten Lincoln high guards.

oohah

b/c statistic isnt the tip of the iceberg.

here the article:

Magic Johnson 1)

Team: Los Angeles Lakers (1979-91, 1996)

Titles: 5 (1980, 1982, 1985, 1987, 1988)

Honors: 12-time All-Star, three-time MVP (1987, 1989, 1990), three-time Finals MVP (1980, 1982, 1987), Hall of Fame

The player: The prototype big point guard. The only player in NBA history who could dominate -- not just play -- all five positions.

Magic was the best ever in transition. He led the break and shoved the ball down your throat or backed you down and carved you up with a pass or drive.

He was unselfish -- but not to a fault (he'd take over and score when necessary) -- and he made passing cool.

Given his age (a rookie at age 20), the stakes (NBA Finals), the opponent (Dr. J and the 76ers) and the fact that he moved to center to replace injured legend Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Magic's 42-point, 15-rebound, 7-assist, 3-steal effort in the title-clinching Game 6 of the 1980 NBA Finals was probably the best individual performance of all time.

It could be argued that he's the one player in NBA history who was better than Michael Jordan.

OSCAR ROBERTSON 2)
Teams: Cincinnati Royals (1961-70), Milwaukee Bucks (1970-74)
Titles: 1 (1971)

Honors: 12-time All-Star, 1961 ROY, 1964 MVP, Hall of Fame

The player: The gold standard, two decades ahead of his time.

Oscar was one of the smartest players ever. There has never been a better post-up guard.

We hear about "The Big O" averaging a triple-double for one season (1961-62), but he actually averaged a triple-double over the first five seasons of his career (1960-65) when the games are strung together. In those 384 games, he averaged an astounding 30.3 points, 10.6 assists and 10.4 rebounds.

JASON KIDD 7)
Teams: Dallas Mavericks (1994-97), Phoenix Suns (1997-2001), New Jersey Nets (2001-present)
Titles: 0

Honors: 7-time All-Star, 1995 Co-ROY

The player: A brilliant passer -- his 9.2 assists per game average trail only Magic, Stockton and Oscar.

He's a terrific leader and intelligent competitor. Can beat an opponent in so many ways without scoring a point. J-Kidd is able to do precisely the right thing at the right time at the right place.

ISIAH THOMAS 3)
Team: Detroit Pistons (1981-94)
Titles: 2 (1989, 1990)

Honors: 12-time All-Star, 1990 Finals MVP, Hall of Fame

The player: He was the smallest and baddest of the Bad Boys. He was an absolute killer on the court with as much heart, will and toughness as playing ability.

Isiah willed his team to a championship level. He was at his best when it counted -- in the playoffs. Against New York in the 1984 playoffs he scored 16 points in the last 94 seconds of regulation to send Game 5 into overtime.

WALT FRAZIER6)
Teams: New York Knicks (1967-77), Cleveland Cavaliers (1977-79)
Titles: 2 (1970, 1973)

Honors: 7-time All-Star, Hall of Fame

The player: Perhaps the best defensive point guard of all time. He was also a great scorer, rebounder, assist man and floor general. A true team player, but when he needed to take over he did.

In Game 7 of the 1970 Finals against Wilt, West and the Lakers, he notched 36 points, 19 assists and 5 steals to make up for a hobbled Willis Reed.

No one did it better with more style and grace on the world's greatest stage.

TINY ARCHIBALD8)
Teams:
Cincinnati Royals (1970-72), Kansas City-Omaha Kings (1972-75), Kansas City Kings (1975-76), New York Nets (1976-77), Boston Celtics (1978-83), Milwaukee Bucks (1983-84)
Titles: 1 (1981)

Honors: Six-time All-Star, Hall of Fame

The player: A candidate for title of most dominant "little guy" ever.

As the first point guard to make scoring his emphasis, Tiny was the only player ever to lead the league in scoring and assists in the same season (34 and 11.4, 1972-73).

Awesome individual talent who had a lot of A.I. in him early in his career. Invented penetration.

JOHN STOCKTON4)

Team: Utah Jazz (1984-2003)
Titles: 0

Honors: 10-time All-Star

The player: His durability, toughness, leadership, poise, efficiency, vision and longevity were phenomenal.

Stockton might be the most deceptive point guard ever.

All-time leader in assists and steals, with a .515 shooting percentage. Very efficient.

Sustained excellence overcomes the absence of rings. The Stockton-Malone pick-and-roll will be the measuring stick for years to come.

STEVE NASHTeams: 9)

Phoenix Suns (1996-98, 2004-present), Dallas Mavericks (1998-2004)
Titles: 0

Honors: Four-time All-Star, two-time MVP (2005, 2006)

The player: His performance over the last two years in Phoenix has put him in this elite category. He's the only point guard other than Magic to win back-to-back MVPs.

Takes the "makes players around him better" tag to a whole new level. Has the ability to make entire teams adjust to his style of play.

GARY PAYTON 10)
Teams: Seattle SuperSonics (1990-2003), Milwaukee Bucks (2003), Los Angeles Lakers (2003-04), Boston Celtics (2004-05), Miami Heat (2005-present)
Titles: 0

Honors: Nine-time All-Star, 1996 Defensive POY

The player: More swagger than a gunslinger.


As a lockdown defender nicknamed "The Glove," he's one of the few point guards in Frazier's class defensively.

Great scorer who could run a team and, when necessary, put the club on his back. Break down his career and you'll conclude he's been underrated.

BOB COUSY5)
Teams: Boston Celtics (1950-63), Cincinnati Royals (1969-70)
Titles: 6 (1957, 1959-63)

Honors: 13-time All-Star, 1957 MVP, Hall of Fame

The player: Cousy was ahead of his time with his ballhandling and passing skills.

He won more championships than any other point guard and was one of only four point guards to win MVP. The guy who made it all click for the NBA's greatest dynasty ever.

We're in an era of great point-guard play (see Steve Nash's second straight MVP trophy and Chris Paul's ROY award), with Nash, Jason Kidd, Chauncey Billups, Sam Cassell and Gary Payton providing their leadership in the second round of the playoffs.
So it's time to stack up the best point guards of all time.

We compiled top-10 rankings and comments from a panel of ESPN.com's NBA experts, and then pooled those rankings to produce this composite top-10 list.

The voters were: B.J. Armstrong (BA), Chris Broussard (CB), Ric Bucher (RB), John Carroll (JC), John Hollinger (JH), Scoop Jackson (SJ), Tim Legler (TL), Jim O'Brien (JO), Jack Ramsay (JR), Chris Sheridan (CS), Ken Shouler (KS), Bill Simmons (BS), Marc Stein (MS).

Players received 10 points for a first-place vote, nine points for second, and so on down to one point for a 10th-place vote.

Good list. I would have replaced Nash and Payton with Mark Jackson and Guy Rogers. And even at that you're still leaving out a lot of greats, like KJ, Lenny, Nixon, Al Attle, Mo and Norm VanLier.

Posted by Marv:

Good list. I would have replaced Nash and Payton with Mark Jackson and Guy Rogers. And even at that you're still leaving out a lot of greats, like KJ, Lenny, Nixon, Al Attle, Mo and Norm VanLier.

Naw you can't touch Payton, He should be there just for defense alone...Payton was one of the most underated all time players...no point guard today plays both ends of the floor the way he did in his heyday..The only other player in my lifetime that played like that was Alvin Robertson...

Is that list in according to ranking? If so then Jason Kidd I think is rated too high. He hasn't proven that he is capable of winning with signficant talent surrounding him. The other pgs on the list have multiple teammates and put themselves in winning situations. Besides if you put a gun to my head I would take Tony Parker over Kidd in a big game. HOw in the world is Cous the last PG on that list??

Posted by Pharzeone:

Is that list in according to ranking? If so then Jason Kidd I think is rated too high. He hasn't proven that he is capable of winning with signficant talent surrounding him. The other pgs on the list have multiple teammates and put themselves in winning situations. Besides if you put a gun to my head I would take Tony Parker over Kidd in a big game. HOw in the world is Cous the last PG on that list??

Quite honestly, Nash does not belong there either..All this hype..I mean really Phonix is better yes but can you see this guy carrying his team the way the alltime greats carry their respective teams...I mean Nash is carrying his team to the first round and second round, those others are championship type point guards....There is a huge difference....



[Edited by - holfresh on 05-11-2006 7:24 PM]

Posted by Pharzeone:

Besides if you put a gun to my head I would take Tony Parker over Kidd in a big game.

That is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life. I mean I have read some outrageous things on message boards but that trumps them all. Not even close.

Tony Parker isnt a pimple on Jason Kidd's ass when Kidd was in his prime. Without Duncan, Parker is a nobody. NOBODY.