Knicks have had 4 coaches so far with Marbury on the roster.

Ok, Lets not count Chaney.

Knicks have had 3 coaches so far with CoachBury on the roster.

Too bad we have to actually play the games cuz on paper we are great.

Add a HOF coach with big cred and we stunk up the joint. Ok, add two.

Thinks its the coach? Lets try it without Marbury and Im sure we might eclipse 23 wins.

maybe with that Autistic kid running the point?

Posted by crzymdups:

Marbury missed 21 games and we were 4-17 without him. Yeah, he's the problem. I'm not saying he's not part of the problem, but he clearly isn't the whole problem.

In 2.5 seasons I have seen enough. He ain't the whole problem, but he's been the constant.

I was a big supporter until the words started coming out. Some think larry was the prognastocator, and some think Mo Bury was.

It was a failed experiment. No need to fire anyone, just fix the mistake and move forward.

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by Nalod:


Knicks have had 4 coaches so far with Marbury on the roster.

Ok, Lets not count Chaney.

Knicks have had 3 coaches so far with CoachBury on the roster.

Too bad we have to actually play the games cuz on paper we are great.

Add a HOF coach with big cred and we stunk up the joint. Ok, add two.

Thinks its the coach? Lets try it without Marbury and Im sure we might eclipse 23 wins.

maybe with that Autistic kid running the point?

I would bet we double our win total next season with the same roster and new coach...

Who cares about doubling win totals with uptempo offense. If you dont play defense your not winning a championship.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by Nalod:


Knicks have had 4 coaches so far with Marbury on the roster.

Ok, Lets not count Chaney.

Knicks have had 3 coaches so far with CoachBury on the roster.

Too bad we have to actually play the games cuz on paper we are great.

Add a HOF coach with big cred and we stunk up the joint. Ok, add two.

Thinks its the coach? Lets try it without Marbury and Im sure we might eclipse 23 wins.

maybe with that Autistic kid running the point?

I would bet we double our win total next season with the same roster and new coach...

Who cares about doubling win totals with uptempo offense. If you dont play defense your not winning a championship.

I got a newsflash for you..we aren't winning a championship with Brown as Knicks coach...For some reason you guys think the past season was positive with Brown winning 23 games...that somehow now we are on the right track...That for some reason winning 23 games with Brown is a more productive season the winning 46 games with another coach...You guys need to stop drinking the cool aid and get back to reality....



You must think those guys in Dallas, Phoenix, Washington and Cleveland are all idiots because they aren't winning anything without Brown showing them how to play defense...You know what, we are the idiots, because we believe 23 wins with this coach preaching defense is better than an uptempo second round playoff berth...Amazing...



[Edited by - holfresh on 05-11-2006 03:39 AM]

Lets keep hiring coaches until Marbury is happy?

Remember Antonio had to go to larry to tell him the players need to dumb it down and have a more simple pick and roll defensive scheme? Or Larry finally having to go to the press to defend is logic that the players don't get back on defense so how can they run more.

There are some basic fundamental things this team does not get, or refused to get.

Larry is quoted as saying in his 33 years of coaching he never had to coach motivation and this team is not motivated. Professoinal players don't need motivation to do the job.

Holl, respectively there is a bad element to this teams constitution and I don't think that after a few coaches we have seen anything other than it get worse and worse.

The last coach whom really got his players to play together was Don chaney! Why? That so called lame ass team was mature but had character and was prfessional. A team with charator (like the pistons) will self monitor themselves. A coach like larry galvanized that unit and instructed them. When a well coached team gets a new coach it should usually build upon what it learned and grow. Thats what happeining to the pistons this year. Carlisle could not get some things out of them, but Larry did. And yeah, billups blossomed under Larry. BIlups had been around a whle but became a top leader. Marbury cracked under Larry, he could not handle the "Coaching" and instead took it personal. Big difference. Now would you rather have a coach pander to the immature but talented player and never really gettting beyond mediocre or take time to find out who are men and who are mice!

Forget its Larry, what situation and charateristics are we looking for in a coach? A suck up who will let Starbury be unleashed while his teammates sulk and have to take his bull$****? We did that with Lenny. ANd Herb. Isiah get in his head by mentoring him about leadership and winning? NO, Marbury got worse this season. What does that say? Then Add in tough mean old Larry and what happens, he takes it personal. Very personal. "Mamma Said" personal.

We bought in the best coach available last year. A real coach, and mans coach, and it became personal to Marbury.

As far as the line up changes, We saw Reezy given every chance and he is not ready. I was a big fan of his. Crawford showed he was not ready until the last 20 games. Nate was given every chance, and he was proven to need to slow it down a bit. Frye averaged 25 min per game. Was 1st team all rookie. How has larry slapped him down? Fryes defense was spotty and he was foul prone. ANd he got tired as the season progressed. I might have given David Lee more minutes, but look what he did earn by basically beating out Barnes and Reezy whle we had QRich and then Qdog getting earned minutes.

Should larry have had a set lineup, yeah, but I can see player by player there were so many changes and things not working. Don't like it, but I understand.

Curry's minutes were right to get cut. He got lots of them early on and was proven a bit durable, but after while he was not playing quality minutes just quantitiy. My personal belief is short shifts and play well otherwise sit. I'd rather see a player play less but play well and get them out faster when they falter. Get used to playing at a higher level when in the game instead of dogging it in stretches. You can gradually give more minutes once this pattern is established. You do this with younger players. Curry is still young. He got lots of time early to get his legs back, but his quality diminished.

YEah, lets move Marbury not the coach.

Posted by Nalod:

Lets keep hiring coaches until Marbury is happy?

Remember Antonio had to go to larry to tell him the players need to dumb it down and have a more simple pick and roll defensive scheme? Or Larry finally having to go to the press to defend is logic that the players don't get back on defense so how can they run more.

There are some basic fundamental things this team does not get, or refused to get.

Larry is quoted as saying in his 33 years of coaching he never had to coach motivation and this team is not motivated. Professoinal players don't need motivation to do the job.

Holl, respectively there is a bad element to this teams constitution and I don't think that after a few coaches we have seen anything other than it get worse and worse.

The last coach whom really got his players to play together was Don chaney! Why? That so called lame ass team was mature but had character and was prfessional. A team with charator (like the pistons) will self monitor themselves. A coach like larry galvanized that unit and instructed them. When a well coached team gets a new coach it should usually build upon what it learned and grow. Thats what happeining to the pistons this year. Carlisle could not get some things out of them, but Larry did. And yeah, billups blossomed under Larry. BIlups had been around a whle but became a top leader. Marbury cracked under Larry, he could not handle the "Coaching" and instead took it personal. Big difference. Now would you rather have a coach pander to the immature but talented player and never really gettting beyond mediocre or take time to find out who are men and who are mice!

Forget its Larry, what situation and charateristics are we looking for in a coach? A suck up who will let Starbury be unleashed while his teammates sulk and have to take his bull$****? We did that with Lenny. ANd Herb. Isiah get in his head by mentoring him about leadership and winning? NO, Marbury got worse this season. What does that say? Then Add in tough mean old Larry and what happens, he takes it personal. Very personal. "Mamma Said" personal.

We bought in the best coach available last year. A real coach, and mans coach, and it became personal to Marbury.

As far as the line up changes, We saw Reezy given every chance and he is not ready. I was a big fan of his. Crawford showed he was not ready until the last 20 games. Nate was given every chance, and he was proven to need to slow it down a bit. Frye averaged 25 min per game. Was 1st team all rookie. How has larry slapped him down? Fryes defense was spotty and he was foul prone. ANd he got tired as the season progressed. I might have given David Lee more minutes, but look what he did earn by basically beating out Barnes and Reezy whle we had QRich and then Qdog getting earned minutes.

Should larry have had a set lineup, yeah, but I can see player by player there were so many changes and things not working. Don't like it, but I understand.

Curry's minutes were right to get cut. He got lots of them early on and was proven a bit durable, but after while he was not playing quality minutes just quantitiy. My personal belief is short shifts and play well otherwise sit. I'd rather see a player play less but play well and get them out faster when they falter. Get used to playing at a higher level when in the game instead of dogging it in stretches. You can gradually give more minutes once this pattern is established. You do this with younger players. Curry is still young. He got lots of time early to get his legs back, but his quality diminished.

YEah, lets move Marbury not the coach.

thank you nalod. i think many fans here are retaliating at lb just b/c people support him and blame players like steph...instead of seeing what the problem really is. it's the players and it's always been the players so regardless of who the coach is, it was bound to fail. but since they are fans of steph (most prominently), and he faltered, it has to be b/c of someone's doing. so that's why lb gets turned to. but like you said and i said before, lenny let them play carte blanche and he got mutinized and fired for it. whatever methods lb used this year (which aren't any different than he used before) brought to light was the true bad elements of the team were.

so instead of reaching 40 wins and making the playoffs and thinking that steph is part of the solution, we found out clearly that he is part of the problem. and that's a huge step forward.

the younger players now realize that there's no more BS and they better come to play and play hard. we will see the fruits of this past season next year and the following year...but they don't want to hear it. they already said if we win 34 games, it's under the guise of "progress". guess what? it is progress.

you all have been hoodwinked by the players and by isiah but refuse to believe it.

swap lb with nate, pop, carlisle, and the same stuff would've happened. nate used 30+ lineups in portland. i guess he messed up their season also. you see, isiah knew this group needed a dictator and a teacher to get them right. that's why names like lb, pj, and even bobby knight came up. he knew a guy like lenny would be eaten alive by the ego's already here. that's why he didn't go hard after flip.

but some just don't want to let go of the fact that we should've won 38 games. please. how this season went down and how things were brought to the surface is much more beneficial for the long term of the franchise than 38 wins this season.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-11-2006 10:15 AM]

Posted by holfresh:




I got a newsflash for you..we aren't winning a championship with Brown as Knicks coach...For some reason you guys think the past season was positive with Brown winning 23 games...that somehow now we are on the right track...That for some reason winning 23 games with Brown is a more productive season the winning 46 games with another coach...You guys need to stop drinking the cool aid and get back to reality....



You must think those guys in Dallas, Phoenix, Washington and Cleveland are all idiots because they aren't winning anything without Brown showing them how to play defense...You know what, we are the idiots, because we believe 23 wins with this coach preaching defense is better than an uptempo second round playoff berth...Amazing...



[Edited by - holfresh on 05-11-2006 03:39 AM]

They are idiots.

Damn man.....even with High School, College, or summer leagues for that matter.....any facet of coaching you have to use what you got. Recruit or make trades or signings at the right times to improve or get back to the syle you like.

If your point guard is a scorer you gotta let him do his thing and let everyone else fall into place.....period. Yeah you have your own way of seeing the game and the way it should be played but you have to deal with what you have.

If your rookies are better than the vets....sorry but you gotta play the rookies.

If your center is not good at passing out of the post....why are you trying to force him to do it when the games count? That's what practice is for. Curry should be doing what Nazr did when he was in NY. Sliding inside and getting chippy baskets and posting up every once in a while to build his confidence while in practice you groom him for a more advanced game.

If Frye is your best outside shooter well.....the little guys gotta set some picks for him. Sorry. That's the way it is. Want Frye to be Charles Oakley? Not gonna happen at least not yet.

Q-Rich can't buy a bucket? Well...IR he goes....not start 85% of his games.

Nate not a point guard? Teach him in practice and just let him do his thing with the team concept. Nate is a good three point shooter and can score and bring energy.

It goes on and on.....

What happened this year? Even after Jalen and Francis were brought in the game still didn't change. So who is to blame? The players just suck?

15 players need to be traded......Brown has either said or shown in his coaching that he hates all the players he has.......it's crazy.

But 23 wins is better cuz Brown is right.....Knicks should win 20 games next year and really be on the road to prosperity.



[Edited by - enyspree on 05-11-2006 10:59 AM]

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by holfresh:




I got a newsflash for you..we aren't winning a championship with Brown as Knicks coach...For some reason you guys think the past season was positive with Brown winning 23 games...that somehow now we are on the right track...That for some reason winning 23 games with Brown is a more productive season the winning 46 games with another coach...You guys need to stop drinking the cool aid and get back to reality....



You must think those guys in Dallas, Phoenix, Washington and Cleveland are all idiots because they aren't winning anything without Brown showing them how to play defense...You know what, we are the idiots, because we believe 23 wins with this coach preaching defense is better than an uptempo second round playoff berth...Amazing...



[Edited by - holfresh on 05-11-2006 03:39 AM]

They are idiots.

Damn man.....even with High School, College, or summer leagues for that matter.....any facet of coaching you have to use what you got. Recruit or make trades or signings at the right times to improve or get back to the syle you like.

If your point guard is a scorer you gotta let him do his thing and let everyone else fall into place.....period. Yeah you have your own way of seeing the game and the way it should be played but you have to deal with what you have.

If your rookies are better than the vets....sorry but you gotta play the rookies.

If your center is not good at passing out of the post....why are you trying to force him to do it when the games count? That's what practice is for. Curry should be doing what Nazr did when he was in NY. Sliding inside and getting chippy baskets and posting up every once in a while to build his confidence while in practice you groom him for a more advanced game.

If Frye is your best outside shooter well.....the little guys gotta set some picks for him. Sorry. That's the way it is. Want Frye to be Charles Oakley? Not gonna happen at least not yet.

Q-Rich can't buy a bucket? Well...IR he goes....not start 85% of his games.

Nate not a point guard? Teach him in practice and just let him do his thing with the team concept. Nate is a good three point shooter and can score and bring energy.

It goes on and on.....

What happened this year? Even after Jalen and Francis were brought in the game still didn't change. So who is to blame? The players just suck?

15 players need to be traded......Brown has either said or shown in his coaching that he hates all the players he has.......it's crazy.

But 23 wins is better cuz Brown is right.....Knicks should win 20 games next year and really be on the road to prosperity.



[Edited by - enyspree on 05-11-2006 10:59 AM]

think of it this way - when isiah was hired, he wanted to remove everything layden.

now that brown is here, and in fact hired to "save" the franchise, he wants to remove everything isiah.

i'm cool with that.

Posted by holfresh:

I got a newsflash for you..we aren't winning a championship with Brown as Knicks coach...For some reason you guys think the past season was positive with Brown winning 23 games...that somehow now we are on the right track...That for some reason winning 23 games with Brown is a more productive season the winning 46 games with another coach...You guys need to stop drinking the cool aid and get back to reality....



You must think those guys in Dallas, Phoenix, Washington and Cleveland are all idiots because they aren't winning anything without Brown showing them how to play defense...You know what, we are the idiots, because we believe 23 wins with this coach preaching defense is better than an uptempo second round playoff berth...Amazing...



[Edited by - holfresh on 05-11-2006 03:39 AM]

The point is to win a championship. I don't root for my teams to make the playoffs and lose in the 2nd round, maybe you get a kick out of that. I certainly don't. I got a newsflash for you too, the Knicks with Isiah Thomas at the helm and Stephon Marbury running the show will NEVER see past the first round of the playoffs.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 05-11-2006 11:15 AM]