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kevlofton
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5/9/2006  12:32 PM
Guys,

After seeing the Lakers make the playoffs and take PHX to 7 games, I have decided that Larry can't hold Phil's Jock Strap. The Knick have far more talent than the Lakers. For 10 Mil Dollars Larry should had gotten the team to play together instead of crying about "These are not my kind of players". We should had at lease finished %500. Any thoughts??????
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5/9/2006  12:45 PM
would phil have gotten DET to win a title & w/in a game of repeating? i seriously don't think he would have, but that's debateable... how u can say LB can't hold Phil's jock when LB has coached championship winning teams on both the college & NBA Level is beyond me... they're both clearly HOF level coaches & deserve to be praised as 2 of the best coaches in the game today... LB never had the luxury of coaching the best player in the NBA on every team like Phil has, btw... that sorta helps you win games.

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5/9/2006  12:48 PM
phil passed on the knicks...and that's not b/c it's ny. it's b/c he realized that this team was not ready to win anytime soon. so he passed. so before bringing up who's a better coach, remember that one guy took the challenge and one didn't - and they were both gonna get $10 mil a year.
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5/9/2006  12:55 PM
PHil got SOME cap flex and assets in LA than the hell we call the knicks.

PHil got 9 rings, that should tell you somthing, not the 7 game Kobe diva show.

Teams get hot, Lakes had a nice thing going.

On paper we should be good, but paper don't play.

PHil is great, but his gig is getting a group to play together as a unit. With this group, who knows how he would do, but he flat out rejected us and went back to Kobe. To write a book and then return showed how bad this gig was for him.

Phils 9 rings means only Red Auerback can hold his jock strap. Larry is a top 10 coach all time, but a rung below Phil.

Phil was a Knick. Sad we never tapped him.
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5/9/2006  1:10 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

phil passed on the knicks...and that's not b/c it's ny. it's b/c he realized that this team was not ready to win anytime soon. so he passed. so before bringing up who's a better coach, remember that one guy took the challenge and one didn't - and they were both gonna get $10 mil a year.

Seriously, you didn't think the Lakers were a challenge? Kobe, Odom, Kwame, and the CBA all-stars?

LB took the challenge...and that doesn't mean jack. He has done one of the worst coaching jobs in the history of the game this year---> undebateable!

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5/9/2006  1:17 PM
lakers were the safe choice for phil.

all i'm saying is that phil vs. larry is moot b/c one guy passed on the job. so who knows what phil would've done here and who knows was lb would've done in lala.

all i do know is that phil always had two of the top 5 nba players in any given season and he was able to get them to believe and win a title.

only one team over the past 20+ years won a title without having even one single top 5, 10, or 20 player and that was detroit.

two totally different types of coaches for two TOTALLY different type of situations.

but kobe is INFINITELY better than our best player (and you can make a case that lamar isn't that far away from our best guy either)...and he's probably #1 or #2 in the league. that will get you to .500 regardless of what else is going on.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-09-2006 1:20 PM]
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5/9/2006  1:35 PM
lakers were the safe choice for phil.

I think it had less to do with safe and more to do with p*ssy.
all i'm saying is that phil vs. larry is moot b/c one guy passed on the job. so who knows what phil would've done here and who knows was lb would've done in lala.

I'll take a stab at it:

Phil would have put our best scorer in a position to win games and forced defenses to key in on him. The rest of the guys would find a good spot to shoot from when the best scorer was triple teamed. The Knicks would not have been good, but better than this fiasco.

Lb in L.A. would have slowed it down tremendously, eliminated 3 pointers, and tore up Kobe in the papers...then Kobe would have had his ass fired.
all i do know is that phil always had two of the top 5 nba players in any given season and he was able to get them to believe and win a title.

Phil is one of the luckiest coaches in history, no douibt about it.
only one team over the past 20+ years won a title without having even one single top 5, 10, or 20 player and that was detroit.

3 teams: Detroit, Detroit, and Detroit.
two totally different types of coaches for two TOTALLY different type of situations.

but kobe is INFINITELY better than our best player (and you can make a case that lamar isn't that far away from our best guy either)...and he's probably #1 or #2 in the league. that will get you to .500 regardless of what else is going on.

Kobe is much better than our best player, but he does not automatically get you to .500, last year the Lakers won 34 games, 1 better than the Knicks. The Knicks had a better draft, got a big man, and had more actual NBA players at every position...and check out the result:


Always a pleasure discussing with you DJ.

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[Edited by - oohah on 05-09-2006 1:36 PM]
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Posted by oohah:

3 teams: Detroit, Detroit, and Detroit.

isiah?
Phil would have put our best scorer in a position to win games and forced defenses to key in on him.

our best scorer was a major reason phil didn't take the job.
Kobe is much better than our best player, but he does not automatically get you to .500, last year the Lakers won 34 games, 1 better than the Knicks. The Knicks had a better draft, got a big man, and had more actual NBA players at every position...and check out the result:

adding more means nothing without eliminating a virus. and what was added were not better immediately than the pieces removed. (tim + kurt + nazr > sf + ad/frye + curry)

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-09-2006 1:43 PM]
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5/9/2006  1:49 PM
isiah?

Isiah did not make top 50 or the dream team. I think that was unfair, but I don't see him as a top 5 player back then, there were still Magic, Bird, and Jordan and it was arguable who would fill out the next 2 spots. Isiah was real good but the bad boys were a extremely-well stocked team at every position.

our best scorer was a major reason phil didn't take the job.

No, it was p*ssy.

adding more means nothing without eliminating a virus. and what was added were not better immediately than the pieces removed. (tim + kurt + nazr > sf + ad/frye + curry)

The team backslid so far, the Knicks front line is not that much worse this year, sorry, it still comes back around to LB.

Herb + Lenny > than LB as Knicks coaches.

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[Edited by - oohah on 05-09-2006 1:50 PM]
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5/9/2006  1:54 PM
Posted by oohah:
lakers were the safe choice for phil.

I think it had less to do with safe and more to do with p*ssy.
all i'm saying is that phil vs. larry is moot b/c one guy passed on the job. so who knows what phil would've done here and who knows was lb would've done in lala.

I'll take a stab at it:

Phil would have put our best scorer in a position to win games and forced defenses to key in on him. The rest of the guys would find a good spot to shoot from when the best scorer was triple teamed. The Knicks would not have been good, but better than this fiasco.

Lb in L.A. would have slowed it down tremendously, eliminated 3 pointers, and tore up Kobe in the papers...then Kobe would have had his ass fired.
all i do know is that phil always had two of the top 5 nba players in any given season and he was able to get them to believe and win a title.

Phil is one of the luckiest coaches in history, no douibt about it.
only one team over the past 20+ years won a title without having even one single top 5, 10, or 20 player and that was detroit.

3 teams: Detroit, Detroit, and Detroit.
two totally different types of coaches for two TOTALLY different type of situations.

but kobe is INFINITELY better than our best player (and you can make a case that lamar isn't that far away from our best guy either)...and he's probably #1 or #2 in the league. that will get you to .500 regardless of what else is going on.

Kobe is much better than our best player, but he does not automatically get you to .500, last year the Lakers won 34 games, 1 better than the Knicks. The Knicks had a better draft, got a big man, and had more actual NBA players at every position...and check out the result:


Always a pleasure discussing with you DJ.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 05-09-2006 1:36 PM]

Couldn't agree with you more, except for the 3 detroits. I believe there was only 1 detroit in the last 3.
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5/9/2006  2:28 PM
Couldn't agree with you more, except for the 3 detroits. I believe there was only 1 detroit in the last 3.

? We were talking about the last 20 years.

EDIT: I guess it was expanded to top 10 or 20 players...

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[Edited by - oohah on 05-09-2006 2:30 PM]
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5/9/2006  2:41 PM
I will say this about Brown, he is a better coach just because he is willing to take a bigger risk than Jackson. Despite the fact this is the worst team that Jackson has ever taken over, like Nalod said Kobe Bryant kinda makes up for alot of holes. But I do believe this was one of Phil better years of coaching because he had to work alot more. It look alot more stressful too, though.
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5/9/2006  2:46 PM
Posted by oohah:

Kobe is much better than our best player, but he does not automatically get you to .500, last year the Lakers won 34 games, 1 better than the Knicks.

devean george missed 60+. odom missed the last 16 or so games of the season. they were in the playoffs and 32-32. then odom went down and they finished 34-48.


[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-09-2006 2:51 PM]
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5/9/2006  2:50 PM
Kobe missed 16 games as well
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Posted by McK1:

Kobe missed 16 games as well

yup. if they had kobe + lamar, they probably make the playoffs no worse than 40 wins.
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The difference between the Lakers and the Knicks is that the Lakers have players that want to play. The Knicks don't have one player on the team that comes close to having the competitive drive that Kobe Bryant has, not even close. Phil took the team with a roster that had a better chance of winning. I don't hold that against Phil, last summer I said he was a better coach, when everyone was riding Larry Brown bigtime but as most of you know I'm a huge Brown supporter.

Calling Phil a better coach then Larry Brown is like calling Willie Mays a better player then Mickey Mantle.. theres not much of a difference.
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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by oohah:

Kobe is much better than our best player, but he does not automatically get you to .500, last year the Lakers won 34 games, 1 better than the Knicks.

odom missed 20 games. devean george was missed 60+.

Odom hurt. Goerge ain't ****.

I think that shows that Phil did even a better job becuase Odom supposedly had a bad year this year.

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[Edited by - oohah on 05-09-2006 3:00 PM]
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Posted by oohah:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by oohah:

Kobe is much better than our best player, but he does not automatically get you to .500, last year the Lakers won 34 games, 1 better than the Knicks.

odom missed 20 games. devean george was missed 60+.

Odom hurt. Goerge ain't ****.

I think that shows that Phil did even a better job becuase Odom supposedly had a bad year this year.

oohah

odom played like an allstar after the break this year.

george - 6.2 pts, 3.8 rebs
quentin - 8.2 pts, 4.2 rebs
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5/9/2006  3:25 PM
lakers last year 32-32, odom got hurt and missed the rest of the season, finished 34-48
lakers this year 33-31, everyone remained healthy, finished 45-37
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odom played like an allstar after the break this year.

You're preaching to the choir. I think Odom had a pretty good year overall.
george - 6.2 pts, 3.8 rebs
quentin - 8.2 pts, 4.2 rebs

The big difference (Outside of Kobe) between the Knicks and the Lakers is that Jackson squeezed every ounce from his no-names.

PJ did a great job this year. I am disgusted a I write this because I can't stand Phil Jackson, and I did not want him here.

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