Posted by fishmike:

Posted by Pharzeone:

I already mentioned this, they refuse to accept it. Wallace and Sabonis constantly praised O'Neal's development right off the back. O'Neal was frustrated. That's why the O'Neal example is one of the worst ones you can use because those were control stats while Bynum flat out earned his 1.6 ppg. NOt only that, O'Neal moved ahead of Cliff Robinson on the Blazers depth chart per his play while Bynum moved back behind Turiaf. The challenge is to get in front of Kwame Brown, as I stated for the heir apparent that shouldn't even be an issue.

One year I could accept this.. maybe even 2 years, but for 4 years? 4 freakin years you ride pine. Zach Randolph was good enough in practice to get Sheed pushed into playing SF, and that was after 2 years. I'm sorry, but if Jermain Oneil was the great player you guys make him out to be he's in the rotation before 4 years.

Maybe they learned from their mistake with JO when they decided to play Zach rather than repeat the same mistake of having the superior young player sit.

No way, b/c I remember seeing him play a number of times in the playoffs, the very season before he got traded and he was getting pushed around like a puppet. He wasn't ready and Sheed was a better player. In fact, he didn't develop into a CONSISTENT player until a couple of years into his Indiana stint.

Posted by Allanfan20:

No way, b/c I remember seeing him play a number of times in the playoffs, the very season before he got traded and he was getting pushed around like a puppet. He wasn't ready and Sheed was a better player. In fact, he didn't develop into a CONSISTENT player until a couple of years into his Indiana stint.

Allanfan,the guy average a double double his first year with the Pacers. Who was pushing him around? Ok, ok. So Bynum maybe more than a role player then why in God's name are you guys allowed to write off other players but no one can write off Bynum after a year. My only concern is why do you think he is worth 2 1st round picks right now after coming off a 1.6 ppg and 1.7 rpg year? Also if he is worth that much than there is no way the Knicks could even think about getting a guy like Petro who had a much better year with alot less hype, more athlethic. Who played real minutes in games and is only 1 and 1/2 years older than Bynum. BTW, if the Knicks already turned down a trade of Frye for Bynum which the LA times reported they did for that Odom deal. Wouldn't that be overpaying based off a year of inconsistent play and for a player by your own accounts is not ready for the NBA.

This discussion has officialy reached absurdity.
I like Bynum as a prospect/project and would like to have him on the squad.
I would not give up Frye or Curry for him for reasons that should be obvious to rational thinking people.

I like Jermaine O'neal. I don't think his and Bynums situation are all that similar because:
Bynum played behind Mihm, Brown, and later Turiaf (who came off of heart surgery).
JO was playing behind all-star calibur talent as a youth.

Why is Turaf in this discussion? Turaf played about 5 minutes a game, and he's about 5 years older than Bynum, but we now know that means nothing.

I thought some of you guys actually balled. Remember the difference in your games between 18 years old and 22 years old?

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by Pharzeone:

I know you guys hate stats and all but sometimes they are necessary to use or else everyone would be talking out of their asses all day.

99-00 POR 70 8 12.3 .486 .000 .582 1.4 1.9 3.3 .3 .16 .79 .67 1.80 3.9
00-01 IND 81 80 32.6 .465 .000 .601 3.1 6.7 9.8 1.2 .60 2.81 1.99 3.50 12.9

Just look at all numbers from Portland to Indiana and tell me that this guy was developing and tell me if you believe scoring more than 10 ppg on a new team is a guy developing more or getting more shots and more minutes.

Stats are from his player page on NBA.com no mysterious source.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jermaine_oneal/index.html?nav=page



[Edited by - pharzeone on 05-12-2006 2:17 PM]

what do those stats prove? That he got much better from year 4 to year 5? How about from year 1-2-3-4 ? Whay about those? Why no improvement at all if he as good as you all say he was?

What kind of improvement are you looking for from a player benched in yrs 1-2-3-4? Improved attire while watching?