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VDesai
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5/6/2006  5:14 PM
Okay, this is very long. But its the offseason, I'm bored, you're bored, so if you want to read it if you want. This stuff should work under the cap (I checked), and I tried to make it as realistic as I could. But its all hypothtetical, and I can't assume what another GM might do, much less our GM. Anyway, here it goes.

First and foremost, we have to address Steph. He's the best player on the team (still), but all of his comments in the press and his friction with Brown and the rest of the roster has pretty much written his ticket out of town. Ideally, you don't have to trade Steph for several pieces of trash like Hudson, Jaric, Hassell etc. from Minny. But you better not expect to get equal value back. It's just not happening with his track record, contract and attitude. So the best thing to do is pull a reverse Knicks, and trade him for an expiring contract.

Move no.1

Stephon Marbury, Jerome James to Memphis for Eddie Jones, Brian Cardinal and the 24th overall selection.

Why does Memphis do it? Bobby Jackson is a free agent and Damon Stoudamire is often injured and no where near as good as Steph. Memphis has talent on the wings (Battier, Miller, Warrick) and up front (Gasol). Marbury can run the pick and roll, make plays and give them another go to guy on O, and Memphis has the perimeter defense to shield Marbury's deficiencies. In order to get Marbury so cheaply, they need to take on the human albatross Jerome James, but they need the size anyway. They will miss Jones' perimeter D and Cardinal's hustle, but they already have that in spades.

The Knicks do this because they have to deal Marbury and can't afford to make their cap situation any worse. Brian Cardinal for Jerome James is a money wash, but trading Marbury sheds a net of something like $40 million dollars over the last 3 years of his deal, which is substantial and part 1 of getting the Knicks back in a sane fiscal state. The Knicks are also clearly building their backcourt around Crawford and Nate, and they need a guy that would allow them to have the ball in their hands more often.

Eddie Jones give the Knicks 1 year of good perimeter defense, adequate 3 pt shooting and veteran presence to appease Brown. Cardinal is another dirty work guy...he's heavily overpaid, but hustles all over the floor, can hit the open 3 and be useful bench guy for Brown. If not, he can sit and be a good 12th man. The Knicks also get a draft pick, which will be very important for forthcoming moves.

Could the Knicks get more? I'd love it if they could extract more. But its easy to come up with trades where its obvious that you fleeced someone. I feel like this could be realistically accepted by the Grizz. Alternately, the Knicks could deal Steve Francis instead of Marbury...whichever is preferred by The Grizz.

Move no.2

Stevie Franchise and the 24th pick to Indiana for Jamaal Tinsley and Austin Croshere.

Indiana has a hit a wall. They aren't getting better with what they have and could use a dynamic backcourt player to get them going. Steven Franchise is a gamble, but could fit that bill. Tinsley has been too injury prone to make a difference the last few years. Croshere is an expiring contract and an asset, but the Pacers take back a first rounder as comp for taking on the inconsistent Francis' salary.

The Knicks do it because Steve Francis seemed to forget how to play basketball last year and has an albatross contract. The Knicks save about 18 mil over a the next 5 seasons or so by making this move. IN addition, they do want to take a chance on Tinsley, who is a heady NYC PG that makes good decisions with the basketball and could end up being the perfect 3rd guard to play with Crawford and Robinson. In addition, they get Croshere, another expriing contract, but useful bench player who can hit the outside shot and rebound. Considering this is a better package than the Knicks gave up for Francis, they may have to throw in the 24th pick they just got from Memphis.


Move no.3:

Quentin Richardson, pick 20 and pick 31 and to Philadelphia for Kevin Ollie, Steven Hunter and pick 13.

After Philly loses the draft lottery (a precondition of this trade), they decide they need another scorer and a third wheel for Iverson and Webber. They take on a little bit more money here, but don't give up a lot in return. It's a gamble, but they have to do it considering the lifespan of Iverson and Webber.

The Knicks get a Brown favorite in Ollie who can defend PG's and a backup center who can block shots in Steven Hunter. Ollie could easily be bought out, and since his contract runs only 2 years, he saves us money on net. In addition the Knicks get get to move up in the draft.

Now the Knicks looked for a taker for Malik Rose, but found no one willing to take on his deal without giving us something just as bad in return. Larry Brown pleads for his veteran presence to stay on the roster, so he is kept.

Jalen and Mo Taylor's expring contracts remain in reserve, with the intention of letting them run out. If either requests a buyout, the Knicks will oblige. If Something great comes along at the trading deadline, the Knicks are armed. Either way, the go no where.

The Knicks have to make a choice on Butler and Woods. The Knicks are armed with the MLE, and clearly prefer to keep the big man. Last year Zaza Pachulia got 4 yrs/ 16 mil on the open market. The Knicks are willing to match that on Butler, but unfortunately Woods will walk withour more cash than what the Knicks have remaining to give. A tough choice, but you have to go with the big man here.

In the draft, the Knicks take Woods Replacement, 6'7 217 pound Swingman Ronnie Brewer of Arkansas. An athletic swing who can handle the ball, pass it and defend agresively. He needs work on his J, but the Knicks feel it is a correctable flaw in his shooting motion. Ideally we can draft Brandon Roy at that spot, but what's the chances of him falling to 13? Richard Roby from Colorado is another option. Maybe we go PG with a guy like Marcus Williams or Lowry. Perhaps a big like O'Bryant slips, or we go for Armstrong. Need to wait till the workouts and the invitationals to get a good gauge on the draft.


http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/ronniebrewer.asp

So that leaves the Knicks with a lineup of:

PG- Crawford
SG- Jones
SF- Rose
PF- Frye
C- Curry

Bench:
Nate
Lee
Tinsley
Croshere
Butler
Hunter
Cardinal
Ollie
Taylor
Rose
Brewer

(someone has to get bought out here, as this puts the roster at 16)

A good blend of youth, athleticsm and hustle. And clearly a team built around Craw, Frye and Curry, which is as it should be. Brown now has some pets (Ollie, Cardinal, Jones, Rose etc.) and the Knicks still have their young core. And finally they have terrific financial flexibility.

Note. Eddy Curry's numbers are an estimate. He signed a 6 year 60 mil deal, but terms weren't officially disclosed. Brewer's contract is based of of Sean May's rookie Deal from last year.


2006 2007 2008 2009 2010
A. Houston $20,718,750.00
J. Rose $16,901,500.00
M. Taylor $9,750,000.00
S. Anderson $7,244,000.00
E. Curry $10,000,000.00 $10,000,000.00 $10,000,000.00 $10,000,000.00 $10,000,000.00
J Crawford $7,250,000.00 $7,975,000.00 $8,700,000.00 $9,425,000.00 $10,150,000.00
Frye $2,162,880.00 $2,325,000.00 $2,487,240.00 $3,163,769.00
Robinson $1,102,680.00 $1,185,480.00 $1,268,160.00 $2,020,178.00
M. Rose $6,008,750.00 $6,555,000.00 $7,101,250.00
Lee $861,360.00 $926,040.00 $990,600.00 $1,788,033.00
Butler $4,000,000.00 $4,000,000.00 $4,000,000.00 $4,000,000.00
Jones $15,680,000.00
Cardinal $5,400,000.00 $5,850,000.00 $6,300,000.00 $6,750,000.00
Croshere $9,560,000.00
Tinsley $5,850,000.00 $6,300,000.00 $6,750,000.00 $7,200,000.00 $7,500,000.00
Ollie $3,196,050.00 $3,441,900.00
Hunter $3,024,000.00 $3,248,000.00 $3,472,000.00 $3,696,000.00
Brewer $1,619,280.00 $1,740,720.00 $1,862,160.00 $2,661,026.00 $3,680,199.00
Total $130,329,250.00 $53,547,140.00 $52,931,410.00 $50,704,006.00 $31,330,199.00



So yes, it is possible to get under the cap if you're creative enough in the short term.


[Edited by - VDesai on 05-06-2006 11:47 PM]
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VDesai
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5/6/2006  5:15 PM
Okay, clearly the preformatting didn't work for the contracts portion. Anyone know the tags you can use to make that look better?
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5/6/2006  5:53 PM
I think you are giving too much away in Stephon and Steve. I will still live with the Marbury trade because we are giving up Jerome James but I dont want Tinsley. Any chance we can get them to give up granger?
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5/6/2006  6:00 PM
I like where your heads at with the Marbury and Francis trades.


However, the Q-Rich deal is just unrealistic.


I like most of your plan, but if I were you, I'd edit it to include Q-Rich and Mo Taylor for K-Mart and Patterson.

That makes a ton more sense.


I really like a lineup of Tinsley, Crawford, Eddie Jones, K-Mart, and Curry.

That's a team that can fast break, or run the half set.

I'd also try to sign Jefferies to the MLE...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/6/2006  6:36 PM
i like those trades... i'd even make the Marbury trade w/o getting back MEM's pick... just getting rid of his contract would be enough for me... Eddie Jones would be a fine role player for 1 year... getting Brian Cardinal seems pretty redundant though, considering we already have David Lee who pretty much does the same things but w/bigger upside & athleticism.

Marbury & Q Rich for Eddie Jones & Battier straight up would make alot more sense for the Knicks... MEM can keep their pick... we don't have the roster spots to accomodate another pick regardless.

that trade alone would give u a much better looking roster next season:

C - Curry / Butler
PF - Frye / Malik
SF - Battier / Lee / Woods
SG - Francis / Jones / Jalen
PG - Crawford / Nate
IR - Mo T / Big Turd

maybe you can package the picks we have to unload Turd on some team desperate for a big body to collect 6 fouls per 5 mpg.
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5/6/2006  6:41 PM
cmon TMS..........dont be stupid now.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/6/2006  6:43 PM
what's so stupid about it? if you want to get under the cap, that trade accomplishes that... do you really think there's a big market out there for Marbury & Q Rich at this point? you'd be lucky if Jerry West would even be open to adding all that salary, forget about getting any picks out of him.

unless of course you think it's a crazy plan in that MEM would never do it, in which case, i see your point.
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5/6/2006  6:52 PM
jerry west is not swapping battier for q rich, even if marburys involved.

dont be so obtuse.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/6/2006  7:46 PM
I took back Cardinal to make it more palatable for Memphis. Trading Jones for Marbury would mean taking on $40-$50 million for them. I'd love to get more out of them...two first rounders, a better player than Cardinal...whatever, but I wanted to make it the most realistic trade that I could.

I think Tinsley might be the perfect PG to rotate with Nate and Craw. Much rather get him than someone washed up like Snow. Plus we shed good money in that deal to. Another PG we may consider is Steve Blake (I believe he's an FA)

As for the Philly trade, they have to add a third scorer to go with CWebb and Ivo. Depends on what they think of QRich and the word they get on his health. Ollie and Hunter is not a ton to give up. They almost traded Hunter earlier in the year. They may also be open to moving down in the draft and getting more picks. It's a pretty flat draft talent wise and they can get good players at both those spots. The money saved from that one is less than the other deals. We could absorb having to keep QRich if we have to, but I'd like to add a shotblocker at some point.

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5/6/2006  7:50 PM
^ Buddy............their third scorer is Iggy.


And he's a heck of a lot better than Q-Rich in every facet of the game.


Q-Rich and Taylor for K-Mart and Patterson bud. Denver even had interest in Richardson during his free agency.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/6/2006  7:54 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

^ Buddy............their third scorer is Iggy.


And he's a heck of a lot better than Q-Rich in every facet of the game.


Q-Rich and Taylor for K-Mart and Patterson bud. Denver even had interest in Richardson during his free agency.

Philly still needs another scorer, Iggy or not.

Clearly going for a longterm money guy like KMart is against the purpose of my plan (long term financial flexibility). I would deal QRich straight up for Patterson though.

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5/6/2006  8:12 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

jerry west is not swapping battier for q rich, even if marburys involved.

dont be so obtuse.


haha... ok jerkoff... i'll try not to be.
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5/6/2006  8:26 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

^ Buddy............their third scorer is Iggy.


And he's a heck of a lot better than Q-Rich in every facet of the game.


Q-Rich and Taylor for K-Mart and Patterson bud. Denver even had interest in Richardson during his free agency.

bobs, it's been said many times, patterson WILL NEVER BE A KNICK b/c he's a registered sex offender.
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5/6/2006  8:29 PM
^ pfff.

just like q woods aka dog killer wont be.

or anthony mason aka pedofile.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/6/2006  8:30 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by bobs3304:

jerry west is not swapping battier for q rich, even if marburys involved.

dont be so obtuse.


haha... ok jerkoff... i'll try not to be.


ok CHIEF..... good stuff
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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5/6/2006  8:56 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

^ pfff.

just like q woods aka dog killer wont be.

or anthony mason aka pedofile.

LOL
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5/6/2006  8:58 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

^ pfff.

just like q woods aka dog killer wont be.

or anthony mason aka pedofile.

mason was a pedofile AFTER he left ny.

but it's been stated by many people that ruben would not be a knick.
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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by bobs3304:

^ pfff.

just like q woods aka dog killer wont be.

or anthony mason aka pedofile.

mason was a pedofile AFTER he left ny.

but it's been stated by many people that ruben would not be a knick.

let's not forget latrell sprewell aka nautical pimp aka chicken choker.
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