Brown's players on the Knicks haven't been able to figure him out all season, and the one player who acted as somewhat of a liaison for him in the locker room, Antonio Davis, was dealt away at midseason. Brown had input into that trade, which brought Jalen Rose to the Knicks, just as he gave his blessing to the other midseason deal -- Trevor Ariza and Penny Hardaway to Orlando for Steve Francis.

The blame for the failure of Rose and Francis to be incorporated into any kind of a winning scheme rests with Brown, who utilized those two players in the same haphazard, mad professor-like manner in which he ran the team all season.

I talked to a lot of folks with the Knicks on Monday, trying to get their best reading on what's actually going on. They all gave basically the same answer: They weren't quite sure what Brown was thinking or plotting, and none of them were either discounting or putting too much credence into anything they were hearing.

Brown took credit for spurring the Francis deal..."I bugged Isiah when I saw [Francis'] name," Brown said.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/62359.htm

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 04-30-2006 12:43 AM]

i will be very surprise to see steph on this team next season and imho getting stevie franchise says it all.

and just for added conversation, larry brown's coaching agenda was able to single out marbury, pull a newspaper poll to show fan support that star is no longer wanted while brining in stevie franchise as to say, we have your replacement already....make your move star.

i hope im wrong, but zeke had to do something and hiring larry brown displaced any authority star thought he had while leaving new york with maximum trade options in the off season

i always thought the hiring of larry brown would nullify the bad trades zeke gets blamed for.....very interesting off season indeed

if brown requested jalen and francis - he's a douchebag and a perfect reason why he shouldn't be the coach AND the gm. there needs to be checks and balances for this to work. isiah should've said no.

a coach can request players left and right, but it still has to make sense, both on the court and financially. lb asking for francis is stupid. he's an idiot for asking. and isiah is an idiot for obliging. he should've said "sorry man, we ain't going after francis." asking for a guy like reggie evans, battier, etc...makes sense. so i understand isiah going after those guys if lb asks. but a guy like francis? isiah "just say no."

on a side note, would isiah just let that expiring deal expire?

Posted by Marv:

Posted by djsunyc:

if brown requested jalen and francis - he's a douchebag and a perfect reason why he shouldn't be the coach AND the gm. there needs to be checks and balances for this to work. isiah should've said no.

a coach can request players left and right, but it still has to make sense, both on the court and financially. lb asking for francis is stupid. he's an idiot for asking. and isiah is an idiot for obliging. he should've said "sorry man, we ain't going after francis." asking for a guy like reggie evans, battier, etc...makes sense. so i understand isiah going after those guys if lb asks. but a guy like francis? isiah "just say no."

on a side note, would isiah just let that expiring deal expire?

^ killa, we gotta print out this post and frame it in gold.

lol...martin can you verify the dj posting is real and not an imposter

Posted by Marv:

Posted by djsunyc:

if brown requested jalen and francis - he's a douchebag and a perfect reason why he shouldn't be the coach AND the gm. there needs to be checks and balances for this to work. isiah should've said no.

a coach can request players left and right, but it still has to make sense, both on the court and financially. lb asking for francis is stupid. he's an idiot for asking. and isiah is an idiot for obliging. he should've said "sorry man, we ain't going after francis." asking for a guy like reggie evans, battier, etc...makes sense. so i understand isiah going after those guys if lb asks. but a guy like francis? isiah "just say no."

on a side note, would isiah just let that expiring deal expire?

^ killa, we gotta print out this post and frame it in gold.

I'm telling you!!!!

Francis might yet pan out. So can Rose. Its the overall situation thats busted. If you trade Marbury and Q in the offseason then this is gonna make some sense. If not, then I dunno.

Posted by djsunyc:

if brown requested jalen and francis - he's a douchebag and a perfect reason why he shouldn't be the coach AND the gm. there needs to be checks and balances for this to work. isiah should've said no.

a coach can request players left and right, but it still has to make sense, both on the court and financially. lb asking for francis is stupid. he's an idiot for asking. and isiah is an idiot for obliging. he should've said "sorry man, we ain't going after francis." asking for a guy like reggie evans, battier, etc...makes sense. so i understand isiah going after those guys if lb asks. but a guy like francis? isiah "just say no."

on a side note, would isiah just let that expiring deal expire?

This team hasn't made financial sense in about seven years now.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Brown's players on the Knicks haven't been able to figure him out all season, and the one player who acted as somewhat of a liaison for him in the locker room, Antonio Davis, was dealt away at midseason. Brown had input into that trade, which brought Jalen Rose to the Knicks, just as he gave his blessing to the other midseason deal -- Trevor Ariza and Penny Hardaway to Orlando for Steve Francis.

The blame for the failure of Rose and Francis to be incorporated into any kind of a winning scheme rests with Brown, who utilized those two players in the same haphazard, mad professor-like manner in which he ran the team all season.

I talked to a lot of folks with the Knicks on Monday, trying to get their best reading on what's actually going on. They all gave basically the same answer: They weren't quite sure what Brown was thinking or plotting, and none of them were either discounting or putting too much credence into anything they were hearing.

Brown took credit for spurring the Francis deal..."I bugged Isiah when I saw [Francis'] name," Brown said.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/62359.htm

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 04-30-2006 12:43 AM]

The bottomline is that these quotes clearly prove it is the fault of Isiah Thomas.

this whole thing sucks.

So now we blame LB for wanting Francis? Thats just nuts. Thats why theres a coach and a GM. Its like a parent giving their kids candy everytime they ask for it because... well he asked for it.

LB's long well documented history is he bugs his GM every week for different players. We have a GM thats made bad trade after bad trade all by himself. Now he's got himself in such a mess he's going to do whatever LB tells him too?

This is the most backwards fubar organization in ALL of sports. Isiah is gutless and spineless and cant make trades. Can we just get a freakin GM in here thats got a clue? LB should shut up and coach. This mess, this ENTIRE mess is Isiah's fault, plain and simple. Of course Isiah is going to do whatever LB says. Its obvious IT has ZERO clue so this is a nice out for him after he gets fired.

the fact that he's here because of LB is somehow even MORE frightening than being here because of Zeke. Either ways its just damn scary

I never wanted Snow... maybe DJ did but he's not as smart as I am. I think of getting LB "type" players and I think of blue collar guys that play hard on both ends. Kenny Thomas, Battier, Reggie Evans, Jared Jefferies, Antonio Daniels, etc are the kinds of guys I'm thinking of. Antonio Davis, Ratliff and Snow are old those are the guys the GM has to just say no too.

Answer me this... if Herb is the coach does Isiah let these contracts expire? Cmon... these moves are 100% consistant with everything Isiah has done since he's been here.