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djsunyc
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4/28/2006  10:05 PM
objective: get under the cap in the summer of 2008


  • trade #1: marbury for jwill and posey
    why? for miami it's a no brainer. for us, jwill expires after the 07 season. posey will decline his option this summer so he s&t's for 2 years $15 mil.


  • trade #2: francis + denver #1 for eddie jones
    why? memphis was interested in francis at the deadline and he gives them a scoring punch. for us, eddie expires next season


  • trade #3: jalen + spurs #1 for webber + philly #1 (top 2 protected)
    why? philly will save over $20 mil and will be under the cap in 2007. for us, stop gap PF but more importantly, a lotto pick in 2007



conclusion: these 3 moves put us at a cap # of about $40 mil in the summer of 2008 with a roster of the following:
jamal, quentin, nate, lee, frye, curry, jackie, 07 philly #1, 07 ny #1
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4/28/2006  10:14 PM
It's an interesting concept and even more interesting about something like that is 'it's so simple'. We probably won't do it, but who knows what's going to happen. But then, it's only a money game, isn't it!

[Edited by - 4949 on 04-28-2006 10:15 PM]
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4/29/2006  1:14 AM
my point which i did mentioned last yr was to get under the cap.. PUrpose: GEt LEbron JAmes!!! Hee will be the best player in a couple of yrs.. it would've been nice if he wore a Knicks uniform...


Unfortunately, the sitution they're in now, it would be tough to accomplish..
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4/29/2006  10:46 AM
You forgot big game....ugh, good luck coming up with a trade with him.
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4/29/2006  10:47 AM
Posted by CTKnicksfan:

You forgot big game....ugh, good luck coming up with a trade with him.

big game would still be on the cap (if he's here or we buy him out) and we'd still be under the cap.
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4/29/2006  11:02 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

objective: get under the cap in the summer of 2008
I like you plan a lot, not because it puts us under the cap but mainly cause we are getting decent players and trading away players that havent worked out. One thing though, we really need to get more for Stephon than just Jwill and Posey. Maybe some more cap space and a draft pick.
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4/29/2006  11:08 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by djsunyc:

objective: get under the cap in the summer of 2008
I like you plan a lot, not because it puts us under the cap but mainly cause we are getting decent players and trading away players that havent worked out. One thing though, we really need to get more for Stephon than just Jwill and Posey. Maybe some more cap space and a draft pick.

yeah, we may be able to squeeze out a draft pick...or maybe wayne simien.
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4/29/2006  11:49 AM
I've given up on hoping Dolan agrees to get under the cap. It would really be nice but its never going to happen for as long as dolan is the owner
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4/29/2006  12:00 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

I've given up on hoping Dolan agrees to get under the cap. It would really be nice but its never going to happen for as long as dolan is the owner
might not be a problem. We have the assets. Isiah has a lot more ammo this summer to make good moves. I really hope he can make something out of it. I like the guy and still have some faith in him. Lets hope he follows a plan. He needs to give up on his blind loyalty to Stephon and get blindly loyal to the New York Knicks.
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4/29/2006  12:09 PM
I doubt it. Just the fact that we added Jalen & Francis when we could've started the getting under the cap process then is enough to convince me that we will never be under the cap. Isiah added all of these guys, traded for mo taylor and gave Jerome James 5yrs. We are never getting under the cap even is Isiah is fired I think

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 04-29-2006 12:10 PM]
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4/29/2006  12:24 PM
I'd like to target Melo...lebron is not leaving his home town for less money.
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4/29/2006  12:42 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

I'd like to target Melo...lebron is not leaving his home town for less money.

rv i'd pass. Reason being, he's likely to go after max money. I don't want to even think about giving anyone max money unless I think he's the cornerstone to a championship team. I don;t think Melo is ever going to be close to that description.

[Edited by - marv on 04-29-2006 12:42 PM]
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4/29/2006  12:56 PM
hmmm. I really value the ability to win the NCAA championship as a freshman on a team with a history of choking playing for a coach with a history of choking, especially when the team chokes after he leaves.

He's basically willing the Nuggets to wins...and yes, he is making his teammates better.

Mello is the answer to all of our problems. And he's not only young, he's a very very good young.

I'd be willing to give up Frye for Melo.

[edit - because we have Curry and Jackie B]



[Edited by - rvhoss on 04-29-2006 12:58 PM]
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4/29/2006  1:07 PM
rv, pleeeeeeeeeeease stop digging your own grave with nonsense. For arguements sake, lets say we did get under the cap by his RFA year, which we wont. The key letter is R, meaning restricted. No shot in hell does Denver not match any offer. They are building the team around him right now, and all they really need is a couple of shooters, and that team will be contending for a championship. Why would Denver give all that up? What if it's a sign and trade? What are we going to give up to get him? We would have to give so much, that we would be screwing ourselves in the end, AGAIN. The day we get Melo, or LeBron, or Bosh or Wade or Dwight or Emeka is the day that they are old men who had microfracture knee surgery 3 times and have been to jail for fighting pit bulls and selling weed in airport parking lots. Those are the types of guys Isiah likes in particular.
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4/29/2006  1:21 PM
hey allan fan, somebody mentioned we should go after lebron, why don't you jump down his throat as well?

Or do you just have a hard on for me today?

[Edited by - rvhoss on 04-29-2006 1:22 PM]
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4/29/2006  1:30 PM
I didn't read that post, but same case, even more extreme. If Cleveland doesn't match any offer, they are back to being duds of the east, right next to the New York Knicks. And yes I did mention that we have no shot in hell at grabbing LeBron, when I said.. "The day we get Melo, or LeBron, or Bosh or Wade or Dwight or Emeka is the day that they are old men who had microfracture knee surgery 3 times and have been to jail for fighting pit bulls and selling weed in airport parking lots. Those are the types of guys Isiah likes in particular.
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4/29/2006  1:41 PM
apology accepted. Now lets try to stay civil.
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4/29/2006  1:50 PM
so nobody gets mad (nyk4) at me for not posting, it's 8pm here and I'm going to dinner.
Just an FYI.

[Edited by - rvhoss on 04-29-2006 1:51 PM]
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Posted by Allanfan20:

I didn't read that post, but same case, even more extreme. If Cleveland doesn't match any offer, they are back to being duds of the east, right next to the New York Knicks. And yes I did mention that we have no shot in hell at grabbing LeBron, when I said.. "The day we get Melo, or LeBron, or Bosh or Wade or Dwight or Emeka is the day that they are old men who had microfracture knee surgery 3 times and have been to jail for fighting pit bulls and selling weed in airport parking lots. Those are the types of guys Isiah likes in particular.


This is dead-on (except we know Isiah likes 'young and athletic', it's Brown who goes for the geriatrics). Superstars almost never are available as free agents. Their own teams can either match offer sheets or if they're unrestricted offer more $ for more years. Nash was incredible luck for Phoenix -- Dallas decided to let him go. This hardly ever happens with all-NBA level players, which is why cap space is way overrated.
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4/29/2006  7:06 PM
Yeah, but when they are, do we have the money to offer them is what this whole getting under the cap thing is all about.
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