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BlueSeats
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Easy fellas. There was no response because my wife and kid came back from vacation.
I see nothing impressive about holfresh's post. What 'fresh is clever at is disregarding any of my points or answers to his questions and beginning a new rant in the middle of nowhere. It's simply another deflection away from Marbury's divisive role this year, as well as last year (worst nose dive in franchise history), as well as his similar effect on Phoenix and NJ before. But so long as Marbury supports have a finger, they'll point it at someone else.
I understand why 'fresh doesn't want to hear about records, because when you look at them you understand Browns record is of a great team motivator while Marbury's is of a great divider.
This from Colanglo before the Marbury trade:
"There's been something amiss all year, in my opinion," Suns owner Jerry Colangelo said. "The more I saw on the floor, the more I disliked what I saw as it related to body language, communication or lack of same."....
This year's season began with high expectations, but it was obvious that last year's chemistry had, for the most part, disappeared.
"Everybody's got to be in the trench together and it just didn't seem that way," Jerry Colangelo said. "That's not pointing fingers at anyone, but the bottom line was something's got to change."
Then a day or two after he's gone:
Like last night, we’re coming from the road trip and we’re on the plane, just sitting up with the coaches. Barbosa’s watching the game, talking with one coach about his play, then we had Shawn Marion’s up with another coach talking about his play, then we had Jake Voskuhl with another coach looking at his game. And Lampe’s up there just watching the whole scene. That didn’t happen before. There were a lot of expectations and things were going bad. It’s hard for a player to blame himself, so they were either blaming each other or us and it was a negative. Now that is lifted and people are stepping out and taking responsibility and they understand where we can go if we do it right.
And from the nets:
"The difference between last year and this year?" ponders an emotional Kenyon Martin, taking out his furiously repressed feelings on his sneaker laces in the near-deserted Nets locker room an hour before facing the Indiana Pacers. `This year we have guys who want to play. Last year we had some people in here who were too busy tapping themselves on the shoulder, telling themselves how great they were."
"Last year, we didn't play any defense," forward Aaron Williams, a 6'10" supersub, chimes in from the next stall. "On any NBA team, the leader sets the tone. And our leader didn't bother playing D most nights."
"He thought he was too good for that--then he'd blame everybody else, pointing fingers," Martin adds. "I'm not naming any names, you understand, but this was an unhappy, divided locker room last year. And the division was one guy on one side and everyone else on the other."
"Yes, we did have one guy in here last year who thought he was too good for everybody else on the team and didn't mind saying so," smiles GM Rod Thorn, still remaining strictly incognito about the "one guy's" identity. "And he was, too. Better than everyone else, that is. But it all didn't add up to much, did it?"
And from Isiah:
"it was like nobody could say if he was doing anything wrong. Teammates were afraid. So everybody kind of sniped behind his back, as opposed to trying to help him and teach him."
Thomas speculated that Marbury had tried to lead through intimidation. That certainly seemed to be the case in New Jersey, where Marbury publicly criticized Kerry Kittles and Keith Van Horn; and in Phoenix, where Amare Stoudemire and Shawn Marion reportedly grew weary of his demeanor.
And then we see this continue last year with Marbury disrespecting Wilkens, disrespecting practice, disrespecting defense... and the cycle just repeats itself ad naseum.
I understand some of your frustrations with Brown, I wont claim them irrelevant, I only know that elsewhere his players did not snap and break and were made better by him. I know guys like Iverson, Reggie, D-Rob, Billips, Antonio, etc credit him greatly for their careers, some consider him the best coach in the league, as do many GMs, as evidenced by the poll were he was voted the best coach in the league. But as we've learned, even with the best it can't work in the face of mutiny.
So I understand why supporters care little of history because Marbury's is damning while Browns is winning and it doesn't fit the bill they are selling.
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4/29/2006 12:34 PM
