i hate how Chad Ford always has to get his little digs in to the Knicks at every possible opportunity... grow the F up & report the news you moron!

Posted by gunsnewing:

marbury's points were down this year and we were worse. Marbury needs to get his 20 & 8 so we can crack the 30win mark

and a great day that will be.

Marbury should go to a team that needs scoring like the Wolves or Hawks. We dont. We need a defender and playmaker there (everywhere else too )

Posted by McK1:

why some continue to make what happens on court an argument of who is more talented is mind-bobbling?

seeing the vastly undersized Bulls fight tooth and nail and take the Heat to the wire should be enough to understand what the "hating media and Steph-bahers" are talking about

watching Nocioni grab more rebounds in 2 games against a much larger Heat frontline than Eddy Curry does in 2 weeks should be an even more refined example of what the "hating media and Steph-bashers" want to see when we/they watch the game of basketball.

Stephon is a great talent and great scorer. Guards like Lowry Williams and Rondo trump him in leadership competitiveness and will.

1 place where a point guards effort shows up in the stats is rebounding:

Marbury failed to reach double digits in rebounding in every game played this season. His season high was 7 back in November. He averaged a shade under 3 rpg for the season. Even dimunitive Steve Nash averaged over 4 a game. Steph hasn't had a double-digit rebounding game since 2001

[Edited by - McK1 on 04-27-2006 1:15 PM]

[Edited by - McK1 on 04-27-2006 1:16 PM]

Good post Mck1, you are 100% right.

Anthony Johnson is a Larry Brown point guard if I ever saw one. Anthony is quitely been great and has been since he's been in Indiana. He was kids understudy now he is going toe to toe and playing well.

Posted by EnySpree:



Anthony Johnson is a Larry Brown point guard if I ever saw one. Anthony is quitely been great and has been since he's been in Indiana. He was kids understudy now he is going toe to toe and playing well.

I hope you are being funny...The guy never saw a shot he didn't like...

Posted by McK1:

why some continue to make what happens on court an argument of who is more talented is mind-bobbling?

seeing the vastly undersized Bulls fight tooth and nail and take the Heat to the wire should be enough to understand what the "hating media and Steph-bahers" are talking about

watching Nocioni grab more rebounds in 2 games against a much larger Heat frontline than Eddy Curry does in 2 weeks should be an even more refined example of what the "hating media and Steph-bashers" want to see when we/they watch the game of basketball.

Stephon is a great talent and great scorer. Guards like Lowry Williams and Rondo trump him in leadership competitiveness and will.

1 place where a point guards effort shows up in the stats is rebounding:

Marbury failed to reach double digits in rebounding in every game played this season. His season high was 7 back in November. He averaged a shade under 3 rpg for the season. Even dimunitive Steve Nash averaged over 4 a game. Steph hasn't had a double-digit rebounding game since 2001

[Edited by - McK1 on 04-27-2006 1:15 PM]

[Edited by - McK1 on 04-27-2006 1:16 PM]

good point. but you can win with a guy like Stephon, it's about building complimentary lineups. the Knicks have too many players in the Steph mold. They don't necessarily need to ditch Steph, but they absolutely need to compliment he and Curry better.

I'd prefer to ditch Steph at this point. You can win with Curry, but you need to compliment him better.

Posted by tkf:


why is it that every team, every place marbs go, it is either the wrong talent, coach,system. Come on man, we need to ditch steph, I would love a guy like lowry, a floor leader, a hard defender. I mean I watched the bulls play and was amazed at the heart hinrich showed and the competitiveness he showed going against a much better talent in wade.... We need that, that kind of play is infectious......

Perhaps its just TRUE. What is so hard to understand about a player like Steph. If you have shooters around him who can spot up and pop consistently then you'll see how good he can be. We actually had that for a short while when we had Van Horn and Doleac. At the time the Knicks were really clicking, cuz they were feeding of Steph's penetration and he was avg' 10 Asts. Even after the trades Steph still ended the season avg'ing 9.3 asts for the Knicks. So to me when I look at this squad our guys who are supposed to be able to hit shots didn't, namely SG's Q and Jamal. Then we didn't have a dependable SF either. SO we had our Starting SG shooting 35% and Jamal was LOST for much of the year. Until we started to actually play Woods and give him the ball, we didn't have much at SF either. LB actually played Malik there for a time, Ariza, Barnes. No matter who it was we didn't get much production. The only guy who actually did was Frye and LB messed around with him not starting him and all that. It made no sense.

To me its not about changing Steph. Its about building a good TEAM period. Right now since he's been here there haven't been too many dependable guys. If H2O had stayed healthy he would have been the only one. We need some patience. Allow our young Frontcourt players to continue to develop. Let Steph do his thing, but get Jamal in there to run point a bit more. Add a deep threat who can reliably hit from the outside, add a Defensive swingman and a shotblocking rebounder.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by tkf:


why is it that every team, every place marbs go, it is either the wrong talent, coach,system. Come on man, we need to ditch steph, I would love a guy like lowry, a floor leader, a hard defender. I mean I watched the bulls play and was amazed at the heart hinrich showed and the competitiveness he showed going against a much better talent in wade.... We need that, that kind of play is infectious......

Perhaps its just TRUE. What is so hard to understand about a player like Steph. If you have shooters around him who can spot up and pop consistently then you'll see how good he can be. We actually had that for a short while when we had Van Horn and Doleac. At the time the Knicks were really clicking, cuz they were feeding of Steph's penetration and he was avg' 10 Asts. Even after the trades Steph still ended the season avg'ing 9.3 asts for the Knicks. So to me when I look at this squad our guys who are supposed to be able to hit shots didn't, namely SG's Q and Jamal. Then we didn't have a dependable SF either. SO we had our Starting SG shooting 35% and Jamal was LOST for much of the year. Until we started to actually play Woods and give him the ball, we didn't have much at SF either. LB actually played Malik there for a time, Ariza, Barnes. No matter who it was we didn't get much production. The only guy who actually did was Frye and LB messed around with him not starting him and all that. It made no sense.

To me its not about changing Steph. Its about building a good TEAM period. Right now since he's been here there haven't been too many dependable guys. If H2O had stayed healthy he would have been the only one. We need some patience. Allow our young Frontcourt players to continue to develop. Let Steph do his thing, but get Jamal in there to run point a bit more. Add a deep threat who can reliably hit from the outside, add a Defensive swingman and a shotblocking rebounder.

great post unfortunately Knicks fans wanted KVH out of town

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by tkf:


why is it that every team, every place marbs go, it is either the wrong talent, coach,system. Come on man, we need to ditch steph, I would love a guy like lowry, a floor leader, a hard defender. I mean I watched the bulls play and was amazed at the heart hinrich showed and the competitiveness he showed going against a much better talent in wade.... We need that, that kind of play is infectious......

Perhaps its just TRUE. What is so hard to understand about a player like Steph. If you have shooters around him who can spot up and pop consistently then you'll see how good he can be. We actually had that for a short while when we had Van Horn and Doleac. At the time the Knicks were really clicking, cuz they were feeding of Steph's penetration and he was avg' 10 Asts. Even after the trades Steph still ended the season avg'ing 9.3 asts for the Knicks. So to me when I look at this squad our guys who are supposed to be able to hit shots didn't, namely SG's Q and Jamal. Then we didn't have a dependable SF either. SO we had our Starting SG shooting 35% and Jamal was LOST for much of the year. Until we started to actually play Woods and give him the ball, we didn't have much at SF either. LB actually played Malik there for a time, Ariza, Barnes. No matter who it was we didn't get much production. The only guy who actually did was Frye and LB messed around with him not starting him and all that. It made no sense.

To me its not about changing Steph. Its about building a good TEAM period. Right now since he's been here there haven't been too many dependable guys. If H2O had stayed healthy he would have been the only one. We need some patience. Allow our young Frontcourt players to continue to develop. Let Steph do his thing, but get Jamal in there to run point a bit more. Add a deep threat who can reliably hit from the outside, add a Defensive swingman and a shotblocking rebounder.

great post unfortunately Knicks fans wanted KVH out of town

They never should have traded KVH, they could have gotten Nazr through another move. Injuries since the trade notwithstanding, KVH was playing great here and he would have been some nice trade bait this year.

oohah