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4/27/2006  7:23 AM
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/40221/20060427/where_will_martin_go/
Where Will Martin Go?
27th April, 2006 - 3:20 am
Denver Post - According to the Denver Post, should the Nuggets look to trade power forward Kenyon Martin, they may have some difficulty. Martin has bad knees, a long contract, and was recently suspended for conduct detrimental to the team.

That said, three high-level NBA executives said Wednesday that trading Martin was definitely possible. They agreed his knee is a big issue, as well as the money left on his contract. They were less concerned about the recent incident that led to his suspension.

"People are going to be nervous about his knee, contract and attitude," one Western Conference executive said. "People are very nervous about contracts that size. It's not impossible, but very difficult."

Carmelo Anthony wouldn't speculate on whether Martin would return next season.

"I don't know how that's going to hold up, that's all I can say," Anthony said. "I wish him the best. I hope they work it out."

"Why not for Zach Randolph?" one Eastern Conference executive said. "They owe him the same amount of money."

"Isiah Thomas might try to throw in Malik Rose or Maurice Taylor," the Eastern Conference executive said. [READ]
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4/27/2006  7:25 AM
ble... anytime you have a player with a bad contract, bad attitude and bad health, and your wondering what his team is going to do about, speculating the Knicks will trade for that player is always a good forcast
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4/27/2006  8:50 AM
Ever notice how a player with a huge contract is always rumored to be heading to NY or Portland? Things that make you go...BLAH! Goddamit! Zeke, change your evil ways!
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4/27/2006  9:27 AM
Zeke has no real interest in the guy, Brown is pushing for Martin. Brown is a fan of Martin. I remember him describing what Martin brings to the Nets during the 04 Piston/Nets series.
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4/27/2006  9:46 AM
Brown and Karl are NC alumni buddies, so if Karl doesnt like KMart you can be pretty sure LB doesnt either.

Also that was the pre-injury KMart. All you have to do is watch for 5 minutes to see he's not the same player
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4/27/2006  9:47 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Zeke has no real interest in the guy, Brown is pushing for Martin.
seriously... why make this statement?

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4/27/2006  9:53 AM
No more damaged goods!
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4/27/2006  9:54 AM
Posted by fishmike:

Brown and Karl are NC alumni buddies, so if Karl doesnt like KMart you can be pretty sure LB doesnt either.

Also that was the pre-injury KMart. All you have to do is watch for 5 minutes to see he's not the same player


i heard the same exact stuff about Jason Kidd a couple years ago when everyone was saying he was washed up & he bounced back w/a very good season last year... everyone thought Grant Hill was finished & he made the Allstar team... CWebb was supposedly done for, yet he put up 20 & 10 playing on a team w/1 of the biggest ball dominators in the game... i believe KMart's still got alot of game left in him, & giving up what amounts to be an expiring contract or a role player w/very limited skillset for him in a trade is well worth the risk for me... this is not nearly the same risk this franchise took when they made the moronic McDyess trade because they gave up a #7 overall pick & their starting C who also happens to be 1 of the better shotblockers in the league in that deal... i always laugh when some of you bring up the parallels on that one, as if losing Mo T or Malik Rose would even come close to losing out on a chance on Amare Stoudamire or Nené & Marcus Camby... i don't necessarily care if KMart doesn't return to his NJ Nets form, i still think he can be a much bigger help for this team in the areas they need help in than either Malik or Mo T can, so i would have no problem making that deal.

[Edited by - TMS on 04-27-2006 09:55 AM]
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4/27/2006  9:55 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Zeke has no real interest in the guy, Brown is pushing for Martin.
seriously... why make this statement?

He asked about Martin after last season, when there was speculation, he said that he wouldn't comment on another player but his knee injuries should be of concern. Understandable after just dealing with Houston's knees. The same reason he didn't go after C-Webb as many speculated the Knicks would. The word Knee injury seems to be a sore topic around Knick front office now adays. Brown was gaga over Martin, because of his high energy, quick hands.
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4/27/2006  10:10 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by fishmike:

Brown and Karl are NC alumni buddies, so if Karl doesnt like KMart you can be pretty sure LB doesnt either.

Also that was the pre-injury KMart. All you have to do is watch for 5 minutes to see he's not the same player


i heard the same exact stuff about Jason Kidd a couple years ago when everyone was saying he was washed up & he bounced back w/a very good season last year... everyone thought Grant Hill was finished & he made the Allstar team... CWebb was supposedly done for, yet he put up 20 & 10 playing on a team w/1 of the biggest ball dominators in the game... i believe KMart's still got alot of game left in him, & giving up what amounts to be an expiring contract or a role player w/very limited skillset for him in a trade is well worth the risk for me... this is not nearly the same risk this franchise took when they made the moronic McDyess trade because they gave up a #7 overall pick & their starting C who also happens to be 1 of the better shotblockers in the league in that deal... i always laugh when some of you bring up the parallels on that one, as if losing Mo T or Malik Rose would even come close to losing out on a chance on Amare Stoudamire or Nené & Marcus Camby... i don't necessarily care if KMart doesn't return to his NJ Nets form, i still think he can be a much bigger help for this team in the areas they need help in than either Malik or Mo T can, so i would have no problem making that deal.

[Edited by - TMS on 04-27-2006 09:55 AM]

Jason Kidd is the exception, but he's obviously slowed down too. Grant Hill had one real nice season, and it appears that he's done. He barely played this season. C Webb is the slowest player in the league. If he was the same player he was in Sacratomato, the 76ers would be in the playoffs.

We really don't need to take a risk on K Mart. Especially with Isiah "Throw all my eggs in one basket" Thomas still making the trades. Meaning, not only do I not trust K Mart to be nearly the player he was 2 years ago, but I don't trust Isiah Thomas to pull off a fair trade for him, or anyone. How about we trade Isiah for Kiki.
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4/27/2006  10:18 AM
A bloated payroll of bad contracts and bad attitudes is what has brought us where we are today, 29th in the league.

What if Dolan just put a moratorium on trades for overpaid guys who aren't working out? What if all we had were healthy hardworking guys with reasonable contracts?

I know that sounds almost idealistic and naive to our ears, but that's actually how some teams do business in this league. And they all have better records than us.
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4/27/2006  10:20 AM
Webber shot
Houston shot
McDyess (took 2 years) but solid as a backup type. NOT the explosive guy he once was
Kidd still great but a bit slower (hey, it could just be age)
Amare so far no good. Obviously jury is out

I'm OK with taking risks, but not on a PF thats a starter, has attitude issues and 5 years on his contract. I thought we already had the PF (or 2 if you count Lee) of the future.

While KMart CLEARLY has the far greater upside I think signing a role player like Reggie Evans better suits our team needs and chemistry.
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Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by fishmike:

Brown and Karl are NC alumni buddies, so if Karl doesnt like KMart you can be pretty sure LB doesnt either.

Also that was the pre-injury KMart. All you have to do is watch for 5 minutes to see he's not the same player

Brilliant strategy, get the guy who gave him a max contract and couple of 1st round picks. Getting Kiki is a lateral move, and he doesn't even have the eye for young talent. There's a big reason why he is available for the KNicks to take. Go after a GM that a team doesn't want to part with.

i heard the same exact stuff about Jason Kidd a couple years ago when everyone was saying he was washed up & he bounced back w/a very good season last year... everyone thought Grant Hill was finished & he made the Allstar team... CWebb was supposedly done for, yet he put up 20 & 10 playing on a team w/1 of the biggest ball dominators in the game... i believe KMart's still got alot of game left in him, & giving up what amounts to be an expiring contract or a role player w/very limited skillset for him in a trade is well worth the risk for me... this is not nearly the same risk this franchise took when they made the moronic McDyess trade because they gave up a #7 overall pick & their starting C who also happens to be 1 of the better shotblockers in the league in that deal... i always laugh when some of you bring up the parallels on that one, as if losing Mo T or Malik Rose would even come close to losing out on a chance on Amare Stoudamire or Nené & Marcus Camby... i don't necessarily care if KMart doesn't return to his NJ Nets form, i still think he can be a much bigger help for this team in the areas they need help in than either Malik or Mo T can, so i would have no problem making that deal.

[Edited by - TMS on 04-27-2006 09:55 AM]

Jason Kidd is the exception, but he's obviously slowed down too. Grant Hill had one real nice season, and it appears that he's done. He barely played this season. C Webb is the slowest player in the league. If he was the same player he was in Sacratomato, the 76ers would be in the playoffs.

We really don't need to take a risk on K Mart. Especially with Isiah "Throw all my eggs in one basket" Thomas still making the trades. Meaning, not only do I not trust K Mart to be nearly the player he was 2 years ago, but I don't trust Isiah Thomas to pull off a fair trade for him, or anyone. How about we trade Isiah for Kiki.

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4/27/2006  10:22 AM
how do you compare giving up Malik or Mo T for a player who could potentially fill alot of the empty holes this team currently has with putting all your eggs in a basket? the Eddy Curry trade was a MUCH higher risk than this trade when you consider all that we gave up for him, & alot of you on this board were all for that trade.

i understand your worry about Isiah being able to pull off a fair trade for KMart... that's not really what i'm debating here... the question i'm addressing is simply, would you trade Malik or Mo T for KMart if you had the chance? i definitely would.
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4/27/2006  10:28 AM
Posted by fishmike:

Webber shot
Houston shot
McDyess (took 2 years) but solid as a backup type. NOT the explosive guy he once was
Kidd still great but a bit slower (hey, it could just be age)
Amare so far no good. Obviously jury is out

I'm OK with taking risks, but not on a PF thats a starter, has attitude issues and 5 years on his contract. I thought we already had the PF (or 2 if you count Lee) of the future.

While KMart CLEARLY has the far greater upside I think signing a role player like Reggie Evans better suits our team needs and chemistry.



20 & 10 is shot to you? wow... whatever. i guess we have to agree to disagree on this one.

Channing Frye has many holes in his game... i'm not convinced he'll ever be the savage defensive minded player i'm looking for... of course, i love the kid's work ethic & his character is never going to be an issue, but i'm still not fully convinced that he'll be the answer at the PF spot for the foreseeable future just yet... i'd rather have the insurance of having a guy like KMart on the team playing alongside him... & David Lee is projected as a SF in LB's eyes... he's said so himself... i see Lee as filling Malik Rose's role in the future, but playing moreso at the 3 than at the 4.

as for Reggie Evans, i'd love to have him, but if we made this trade for KMart, we can address our other big need for a defensive SF (Jared Jefferies) via the MLE also.
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4/27/2006  10:38 AM
20 and 10 are stats. Yes, he had a real nice offensive year, but his defense has been very very very bad and he's slow as walrus. k Mart still can do nice things, and yes, he has a lot of heart, but he's slowed down too and he's what, 28? 27 the youngest prolly. We can't go after damaged goods. The team can't afford it. It just continues to contribute to the mess we have. It's like patching certain things up with a bloody band aid.
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4/27/2006  10:44 AM
As much as I would love Kmart's defensive mentality, I think this team can't afford the risk of such a potential albatross.

Reggie Evans would be far more prudent. He's also a far superior rebounder.

That said, I think it's like 75% likely Kmart will wind up here or NJ again.
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4/27/2006  11:16 AM
Webber put up good numbers but that team has nobody. He's not an impact player anymore, and he cant defend anyone
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4/27/2006  11:51 AM
love this trade. gives denver a hell of a lot of cap relief. Hopefully Isiah doesn't throw in 2 more 1st rounders. I'll do this trade in a heartbeat as opposed to waiting til the deadline to trade for yet another young, athletic, talented, 6-1 SG csstoff

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 04-27-2006 12:00 PM]
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4/27/2006  11:53 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Zeke has no real interest in the guy, Brown is pushing for Martin. Brown is a fan of Martin. I remember him describing what Martin brings to the Nets during the 04 Piston/Nets series.


that is why Brown has had the success he has had while Isiah destroys anything he touches by guying after young, athletic, talented, stat hogging, one-way players
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