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4/25/2006  10:03 PM
Marbury and pick 29 (from SA) to Indiana in exchange for pick 17, Danny Granger, Jamaal Tinsley and Croshere.

This makes Indiana a contender without question. Marbury, Jackson, Stojakovic, O' Neal, Foster with Anthony Johnson, Fred Jones, Pollard and Harrison off the bench is formidable. They might look to add Wells, if they can get him for MLE to complete the mix.

From our standpoint, we use picks 17 and 20 to move up in the draft or get a 1st rounder next year. Granger is already serviceable, especially defensively. Tinsley is a poor shooter but a good backup that can play extended minutes. Also, our cap figure falls to 53 mil in 08.

We field a young squad of Crawford, Francis, Granger, Frye and Curry.
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4/25/2006  10:09 PM
does Bird or any other competent GM for that matter trade Granger for Steph?

as a rookie he has shown he can effectively guard the 2,3, and 4; he can rebound; and he can shoot it out to 3





[Edited by - McK1 on 04-25-2006 10:11 PM]
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Posted by McK1:

does Bird or any other competent GM for that matter trade Granger for Steph?

as a rookie he has shown he can effectively guard the 2,3, and 4; he can rebound; and he can shoot it out to 3



[Edited by - McK1 on 04-25-2006 10:11 PM]

If by competent you mean putting yourself in a position to win a championship, sure.
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4/25/2006  10:21 PM
Steph and championship contention are 2 words that haven't been used in the same sentence since his senior year at Lincoln
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4/25/2006  10:24 PM
Posted by McK1:

Steph and championship contention are 2 words that haven't been used in the same sentence since his senior year at Lincoln

Then you should start using those words together more frequently. Look closely at that lineup.
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4/25/2006  10:28 PM
NBA Live gives you a 95

look at their cap they won't be able top keep Fred with Marbury on the books and its no guarantee they convince Wells to sin for the mid.

the question becomes

WHO DEFENDS ON THE PERIMETER?
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4/25/2006  10:30 PM
Posted by McK1:

NBA Live gives you a 95

look at their cap they won't be able top keep Fred with Marbury on the books and its no guarantee they convince Wells to sin for the mid.

the question becomes

WHO DEFENDS ON THE PERIMETER?

Do you hear the suns asking that question?
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Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by McK1:

NBA Live gives you a 95

look at their cap they won't be able top keep Fred with Marbury on the books and its no guarantee they convince Wells to sin for the mid.

the question becomes

WHO DEFENDS ON THE PERIMETER?

Do you hear the suns asking that question?


ummmm yes

last summers acquisitions

Raja Bell Kurt Thomas Boris Diaw James Jones - defenders


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4/25/2006  10:36 PM
does Rick Carlisle want to win with STOPS?
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4/25/2006  10:39 PM
Oh Steph would love Indy, where Carlisle calls every play himself. He'll be referring to his time under Larry as "the good ol' days"...

And then of course when Steph can't feed the post JO will want to pop him in the eye.
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Posted by BlueSeats:

Oh Steph would love Indy, where Carlisle calls every play himself. He'll be referring to his time under Larry as "the good ol' days"...

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4/25/2006  10:48 PM
Posted by McK1:

NBA Live gives you a 95

And Bird would give it a 100.

Put down your Granger bobblehead and look at who's defending there now? Johnson, Jackson, Jones and Granger. Of those, only Granger (who plays limited minutes off the bench) is gone.

Consider a scenario in which it takes the MLE to keep Jones and Wells is out of the picture.

Stephen Jackson, Anthony Johnson and Fred Jones all defend extremely well on the perimeter. Marbury can hold his own. Stojakovic is bad. Jax gets the tough cover, O'neal and Foster guard the post.

Peja and SJ strike gold with open 3s courtesy of Marbury. O' Neal can hit a 15 footer. That offense is in a different class, enough to overcome any defensive liabilities that may spontaneously emerge.


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I want a Knicks Granger jersey

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Posted by McK1:

I want a Knicks Granger jersey

get it done code

You need to get on the bandwagon. But we make out well financially here, so naturally thats a turn off to Isiah.
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4/25/2006  11:17 PM
Marbury on paper puts most teams over the top.

Marbury on XBox and Playstation puts most teams over the top.

In the end he is a really good 3rd scoring option.

However Indy lacks leadership on the court not scoring. Danny Granger has leadership qualities. Tinsley is a good floor leader but he is always hurt. Foster is a hard worker. Rest of those guys are a great talent mass.

IMHO if Bird and Walsh take on such a large financial commitment and trade their only floor leader in the process, it'll be for somebody who is guaranteed to light a fire under Jermaine and companies ass like an Allen Iverson.

In all that IMO Grangers going nowhere
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Posted by BlueSeats:

Oh Steph would love Indy, where Carlisle calls every play himself. He'll be referring to his time under Larry as "the good ol' days"...

And then of course when Steph can't feed the post JO will want to pop him in the eye.

i don't know if you noticed but LB calls every possesion as well.
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4/25/2006  11:35 PM
Posted by McK1:

Marbury on paper puts most teams over the top.

Marbury on XBox and Playstation puts most teams over the top.

In the end he is a really good 3rd scoring option.

However Indy lacks leadership on the court not scoring. Danny Granger has leadership qualities. Tinsley is a good floor leader but he is always hurt. Foster is a hard worker. Rest of those guys are a great talent mass.

IMHO if Bird and Walsh take on such a large financial commitment and trade their only floor leader in the process, it'll be for somebody who is guaranteed to light a fire under Jermaine and companies ass like an Allen Iverson.

In all that IMO Grangers going nowhere

I think Granger's "leadership qualities" are a stretch - as a rookie he hasn't had the opportunity to show much.

I think you're incorrect about Indy's scoring as well. They are 23rd in the league, they could use improvement. Again, Marbury fills a major need there as a drive and dish option and 2nd/3rd socrer along with Peja. Jax is another complementary shooter and a 4th scorer. Leadership per se is overblown regardless when you have a team that is set up to be as efficient as Indiana would be.

In fact, I think Marbury works in Indiana better than Iverson. Iverson has the habit of needing 25 shots a game - he won't get that in Indiana, not with O Neal, Peja and Jax.
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4/25/2006  11:39 PM
Indy would not want Steph.. no way!! Bird is not stupid.. Not for Granger who happens to show a bit of upside to his game..

they want players that would be able to help the team win... I don't see steph doing that..

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Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by BlueSeats:

Oh Steph would love Indy, where Carlisle calls every play himself. He'll be referring to his time under Larry as "the good ol' days"...

And then of course when Steph can't feed the post JO will want to pop him in the eye.

i don't know if you noticed but LB calls every possesion as well.

That's not his preference, it's just that as of a month or so ago Marbury was saying the guys didn't know the plays. LB has tried to make it real easy for them.

However, in Philly he ran a lot and he had the Pistons to run much more than they did under Carlisle:

Brown readily admits that he likes to coach a certain way. His mantra: "All I ask is that we play the game the right way. I want us to play as a team, share the ball, play unselfishly, defend and rebound every night and respect the game."

That shouldn't be much of an adjustment for the Pistons. That's how they tried to play the last two years under Carlisle. In fact, in many ways, Carlisle developed the Pistons in the mold of Brown's Sixers, stressing toughness and consistency of effort on defense and efficiency on offense. But the similarities end fairly soon after that.

Under Carlisle, the Pistons, by necessity as much as design, were a staunchly halfcourt-oriented team. They took no risks defensively, playing mostly straight man-to-man, then walked the ball upcourt and waited for Carlisle to call out a play.

Brown will have the Pistons pressure further up the court defensively, trying to force turnovers, which will lead to easy baskets. He also will have them pushing the tempo and running at every opportunity.
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That should be music to the Pistons' ears, especially players such as guards Chauncey Billups and Richard Hamilton, who chafed under Carlisle's restrictions.

"I never want to walk it up," Brown says. "In Philly, we didn't score a lot of points, but not because we weren't trying to run. Our philosophy is to run and attack, but we don't want to take bad shots."

And you'll remember Brown said he's given Steph more freedom than any PG he's ever coached.
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Posted by WOODMANnYk:

Indy would not want Steph.. no way!! Bird is not stupid.. Not for Granger who happens to show a bit of upside to his game..

they want players that would be able to help the team win... I don't see steph doing that..

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 04-25-2006 11:41 PM]

Why is that? It seems like you're a little caught up in the hype against Steph.

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