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crzymdups
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4/14/2006  10:00 PM
This is just a theory, but hear me out:

Consider, this happened the same day that Marbury made his ridiculous comments that he didn't care what Brown said, tried playing Brown's way and wasn't going to play that way anymore, he was going to be "Starbury" again. also, consider the stage was the last nationally televised Knicks game of the season.

I think Brown basically planned this move to send a very clear Him or Me message to Isiah. The timing is just too coincidental and I think it IS Brown setting up an out if Marbury is not moved this summer. Obviously, Brown had a problem, but there is a lot going on behind the scenes here. Marbury's comments are clearly a direct challenge to Brown. He may feel Isiah is on his side, but I think he's overplayed his hand here. I think Larry Brown wanted Isiah to get a good look at what this team would look like without him and make Isiah realize that Marbury had to go or Brown would go.

I'm not totally indicting Brown and saying he flopped, but you have to question the timing here. Brown's medical problems were questioned last year for the same reason, everyone knew there was front office tension with Brown and people wondered whether Brown needed to take as much time as he did and whether he was trying to prove a point. Detroit went something like 11-11 without him, it might have cost them home court and another championship and Detroit's owner got fed up with Brown and fired him. I think Brown is making a similar power play here, perhaps over the Marbury issue or perhaps as some sort of warning shot to Isiah that if he doesn't get his moves this off season there will be more "health issues."

Clearly the Brown/Marbury strife is the major reason for the record this season and I think Brown is making one final play to get Marbury out and to have a major say in the moves this off season. I don't think Brown supported the Rose/Francis moves, but he was willing to accept any form of help. I think he will leave if Isiah doesn't make moves to get Brown HIS players this summer. I think Isiah will side with Brown because Isiah has failed so miserably he has no other options but to live or die with Brown at this point. If Brown leaves, Isiah is done and Brown and Isiah both know this. I think this incident is Brown reminding Isiah how tenuous Isiah's situation is if he doesn't appease Brown.

People can call me crazy, but Brown has always made plays to get roster control. He used the health issues thing last year in detroit and it got him fired. I think this time it may get him what he wants.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 04-14-2006 10:18 PM]
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4/14/2006  10:21 PM

you are crazy!!!
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4/14/2006  10:30 PM
I guarantee Brown or Marbury will be gone before next season starts.
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4/14/2006  11:11 PM
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4/14/2006  11:47 PM
lets spin this a wee bit further:

maybe as plan b, larry was giving second thoughts to the cav's position just in case acid reflux gets a little complicated
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4/14/2006  11:59 PM
He went to the freaking hospital. you don't flop and take an ambulence.

Thats nuts! If anyones flopping, its marbury and Francis.

Ita very simple that Marbs and Brown can't coexist.

The hating media called it last summer. We are the stupid ones for "hoping" otherwise.

larry staying in a hospital is not a flop. Im amazed he lasted this whole season.

the dude is very intense, very professional and gives it everything. He hates to lose!

That is somting this team has yet to learn.
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4/15/2006  12:07 AM
Posted by Nalod:

He went to the freaking hospital. you don't flop and take an ambulence.

Thats nuts! If anyones flopping, its marbury and Francis.

Ita very simple that Marbs and Brown can't coexist.

The hating media called it last summer. We are the stupid ones for "hoping" otherwise.

larry staying in a hospital is not a flop. Im amazed he lasted this whole season.

the dude is very intense, very professional and gives it everything. He hates to lose!

That is somting this team has yet to learn.



Man, you had me up until you say this guy is very professional...But I think you mean he takes his job seriously and I do agree....
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4/15/2006  12:15 AM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Nalod:

He went to the freaking hospital. you don't flop and take an ambulence.

Thats nuts! If anyones flopping, its marbury and Francis.

Ita very simple that Marbs and Brown can't coexist.

The hating media called it last summer. We are the stupid ones for "hoping" otherwise.

larry staying in a hospital is not a flop. Im amazed he lasted this whole season.

the dude is very intense, very professional and gives it everything. He hates to lose!

That is somting this team has yet to learn.



Man, you had me up until you say this guy is very professional...But I think you mean he takes his job seriously and I do agree....





Larry teaches hoop in his sleep. By professional, I mean he teaches the whole game, all the small things, over and over again until the players can't stand it anymore. He is professional and hates players that don't match his intensity.

His honesty is not personal attacks. THAT would not be professional.

In contrast, Starbury is pulling a Juanna Mann implosion if he is not careful.
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4/15/2006  12:45 AM
Posted by Nalod:

He went to the freaking hospital. you don't flop and take an ambulence.

Thats nuts! If anyones flopping, its marbury and Francis.

Ita very simple that Marbs and Brown can't coexist.

The hating media called it last summer. We are the stupid ones for "hoping" otherwise.

larry staying in a hospital is not a flop. Im amazed he lasted this whole season.

the dude is very intense, very professional and gives it everything. He hates to lose!

That is somting this team has yet to learn.

he went to the hospital on the team doctor's recommendation after he had been in the locker room for well over an hour. he was fine, it was just a precaution.

I think Larry is a true professional, but he is also not above manipulating a situation. he did the same. exact. thing. last. year.
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4/15/2006  8:30 AM
LArry would never do a thing like that.. The dude is 65 yrs old with various health problems.

He will be having bladder surgery after the season ends. He'll be ready to go next season with a completely new roster..
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4/15/2006  11:06 AM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

LArry would never do a thing like that.. The dude is 65 yrs old with various health problems.

He will be having bladder surgery after the season ends. He'll be ready to go next season with a completely new roster..

huh? it was acid reflux, nothing to do with his bladder. you know what acid reflux is? indigestion. some people have more of a problem with it than others, but this has nothing to do with his bladder. If I was Larry Brown and I heard "Starbury" saying he didn't care what I said, I'd get indigestion, too.

listen to the language MSG keeps reporting that the Knicks are using, "Brown is clear to return, whenever he is ready."

I just read dj's recap of the SAS show: SAS said basically the same thing. SAS said ny is worried Brown is trying to set up an out this summer. That means SAS is saying Brown did this on purpose, or is at least trying to gain some advantage with this.

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4/15/2006  11:19 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

LArry would never do a thing like that.. The dude is 65 yrs old with various health problems.

He will be having bladder surgery after the season ends. He'll be ready to go next season with a completely new roster..

huh? it was acid reflux, nothing to do with his bladder. you know what acid reflux is? indigestion. some people have more of a problem with it than others, but this has nothing to do with his bladder. If I was Larry Brown and I heard "Starbury" saying he didn't care what I said, I'd get indigestion, too.

listen to the language MSG keeps reporting that the Knicks are using, "Brown is clear to return, whenever he is ready."

I just read dj's recap of the SAS show: SAS said basically the same thing. SAS said ny is worried Brown is trying to set up an out this summer. That means SAS is saying Brown did this on purpose, or is at least trying to gain some advantage with this.


I had a bad case of it and once or twice felt like I was going to pass out. A few of my friends also experienced a similar thing. I was blown away by the fact it was just this "acid reflux" thing that does not sound so bad on the TV medicine commercials but it can be nasty. I did not have to go to the hospital, but did see a doctor about it.

Now if Larrys pulse was elevated and was showing signs why the hell not as a precaution go to the hospital.

To say he went to elevate some drama event is rather silly. Im sure there are many stipulations in Larrys contract that can allow him to walk with a pocket full of cash without having to resort to taking an EMS ride.

He, its easter, so why not take this a step futher and go with a ressurection bit. Larry Dies, and at the funeral larry wakes up and starts spewing fundamental team ball concept and freaks Marbury out. The court of public opinion tilts again to brown whom has powers never bestowed upon a coach! We talking outright "savior" properties now!

The Resurection of Larry will carry the team to a championship and an Ikon will be created! St. Brown of Madison Square!

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[Edited by - nalod on 04-15-2006 11:31 AM]
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4/15/2006  1:58 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

LArry would never do a thing like that.. The dude is 65 yrs old with various health problems.

He will be having bladder surgery after the season ends. He'll be ready to go next season with a completely new roster..

huh? it was acid reflux, nothing to do with his bladder. you know what acid reflux is? indigestion. some people have more of a problem with it than others, but this has nothing to do with his bladder. If I was Larry Brown and I heard "Starbury" saying he didn't care what I said, I'd get indigestion, too.

listen to the language MSG keeps reporting that the Knicks are using, "Brown is clear to return, whenever he is ready."

I just read dj's recap of the SAS show: SAS said basically the same thing. SAS said ny is worried Brown is trying to set up an out this summer. That means SAS is saying Brown did this on purpose, or is at least trying to gain some advantage with this.


My Man, crzymdups, i know what acid reflux is.. i had it last yr and it wasn't pretty... I was just mentioning how he has multiple of health issues. ... NOT ONLY THE ACID REFLUX but other health problems as well.. he is suppose to have bladder surgery @ the end of the season.. We all remember his bladder problem from last yr..

[Edited by - WOODMANnYk on 04-15-2006 1:59 PM]
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4/15/2006  2:21 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Nalod:

He went to the freaking hospital. you don't flop and take an ambulence.

Thats nuts! If anyones flopping, its marbury and Francis.

Ita very simple that Marbs and Brown can't coexist.

The hating media called it last summer. We are the stupid ones for "hoping" otherwise.

larry staying in a hospital is not a flop. Im amazed he lasted this whole season.

the dude is very intense, very professional and gives it everything. He hates to lose!

That is somting this team has yet to learn.



Man, you had me up until you say this guy is very professional...But I think you mean he takes his job seriously and I do agree....





Larry teaches hoop in his sleep. By professional, I mean he teaches the whole game, all the small things, over and over again until the players can't stand it anymore. He is professional and hates players that don't match his intensity.

His honesty is not personal attacks. THAT would not be professional.

In contrast, Starbury is pulling a Juanna Mann implosion if he is not careful.

There is no evidence that he teaches basketball, just the opposite, he has a horrible track record with rookies. Brown is and has always been a veteran type coach. If you want we could go down his track record as far as producing talented rookies. That's not his cup of tea. Larry is a "lets win now" type of coach. Don Nelson and Rudy T are more known for player development of sorts that way.
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Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Nalod:

He went to the freaking hospital. you don't flop and take an ambulence.

Thats nuts! If anyones flopping, its marbury and Francis.

Ita very simple that Marbs and Brown can't coexist.

The hating media called it last summer. We are the stupid ones for "hoping" otherwise.

larry staying in a hospital is not a flop. Im amazed he lasted this whole season.

the dude is very intense, very professional and gives it everything. He hates to lose!

That is somting this team has yet to learn.



Man, you had me up until you say this guy is very professional...But I think you mean he takes his job seriously and I do agree....





Larry teaches hoop in his sleep. By professional, I mean he teaches the whole game, all the small things, over and over again until the players can't stand it anymore. He is professional and hates players that don't match his intensity.

His honesty is not personal attacks. THAT would not be professional.

In contrast, Starbury is pulling a Juanna Mann implosion if he is not careful.

There is no evidence that he teaches basketball, just the opposite, he has a horrible track record with rookies. Brown is and has always been a veteran type coach. If you want we could go down his track record as far as producing talented rookies. That's not his cup of tea. Larry is a "lets win now" type of coach. Don Nelson and Rudy T are more known for player development of sorts that way.


I thought he played the hell out of the young guys this year. And was quite complimentary of them.

He reputation is he teaches all the time. Win or lose he is a prefectionist. He is a pain in the ass to play for.

He coached two College teams to final fours. He loved the college game because he can teach. College is full of "young guys".

Butler, Lee, nate, Channing, all young guys. All got big minutes.

Larrys coming back to finish the job.
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4/15/2006  8:10 PM
I thought he played the hell out of the young guys this year. And was quite complimentary of them.
You mean 53 DNP-CDs for the 3 rookies and Jackie Butler? That's almost one full LOST season combined.
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Posted by Bonn1997:
I thought he played the hell out of the young guys this year. And was quite complimentary of them.
You mean 53 DNP-CDs for the 3 rookies and Jackie Butler? That's almost one full LOST season combined.

I understand the frustration that the most exciting players didn't play every night, but the 53 DNPs doesn't seem all that unreasonable, especially when you consider that I think Jackie Butler has the bulk of those.
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4/15/2006  9:16 PM
No, it has nothing to do with excitement. I actually think Nate is the only of those four players who would be considered exciting. The issue is developing the young players. Butler: 27; Frye: 1; Lee: 15; Nate 9 (Okay it was 52, not 53). Zero of those 52 can be justified. It's probably well over 100 if you count games of fewer than 10 minutes. David Lee actually got more DNPs than Mo Taylor. Which one do you think is more important to the team's future? Which one's play earned (or should have earned) more playing time? If you said David Lee, Larry's Decisions indicate he disagrees with you.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 04-15-2006 9:18 PM]
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Posted by Bonn1997:

No, it has nothing to do with excitement. I actually think Nate is the only of those four players who would be considered exciting. The issue is developing the young players. Butler: 27; Frye: 1; Lee: 15; Nate 9 (Okay it was 52, not 53). Zero of those 52 can be justified. It's probably well over 100 if you count games of fewer than 10 minutes. David Lee actually got more DNPs than Mo Taylor. Which one do you think is more important to the team's future? Which one's play earned (or should have earned) more playing time? If you said David Lee, Larry's Decisions indicate he disagrees with you.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 04-15-2006 9:18 PM]

Bonn, have you read on of Bip's posts? Rooks got to earn their spots man. Just can't hand it to them (ala Curry) and expect development of any kind.
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