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djsunyc
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4/14/2006  2:02 PM
after a "discussion" with a friend of mine, where i was proven wrong, when a player is waived, and then re-signs with another team, the teams split the contract values based on the new contract signed. (i assumed that to be the case if the player agreed to a buy-out but it's also true if he's outright released/waived).

micheal finley was waived by dallas (via the amnesty rule).

cap # for 2005/06 is $18,612,500
dallas is paying him $15,937,500
spurs are paying him $2,675,000

so steph's cap # for 06/07 is $18,281,250
if a team is willing to give him the full midlevel starting at $5 mil, steph's cap # for the knicks would be $13 mil.

so the higher the contract steph can yield, the better it is for the knicks. so if a team offers him a 3 year $27 mil deal, we'd only be on the hook for $9 mil of it. (technically tho, a team would only have to offer him $1 mil a year).

but i'd much rather buy him out than trade for any garbage contracts. his stock is dropping by the minute and right now, i only see one possible suitor and that's minny. hey, it ain't my money
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4/14/2006  2:13 PM
No, no. You can still get something for him. Trade him to Minny with our 2 late picks for their late lottery pick and buyout the garbage contracts they ship us instead. Same financial loss but we actually get something worthwhile (a late lottery pick).
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4/14/2006  2:16 PM
any team willing to trade for steph now has a gm just as bad as isiah.
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4/14/2006  2:18 PM
One possible motive of Steph's latest puke is Isiah already tested the market and he knows NOBODY is willing to trade for him
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4/14/2006  2:18 PM
Please. The T-Wolves are completely stuck and are wasting KG's valuable prime years. Something like this is the only way they can surround him with the necessary talent to make the playoffs and maybe the 2nd round.
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4/14/2006  2:20 PM
Posted by McK1:

One possible motive of Steph's latest puke is Isiah already tested the market and he knows NOBODY is willing to trade for him

which may be why minny made that wally/ricky davis deal. if they were priming for a run at a pg like steph, wouldn't you want a jumpshooter on the team for steph to kick it out to? i think they're going to shift gears to bdiddy, maybe francis, and #1 target...mike james. or gasp...actually dump kg.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-14-2006 2:21 PM]
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4/14/2006  2:29 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Please. The T-Wolves are completely stuck and are wasting KG's valuable prime years. Something like this is the only way they can surround him with the necessary talent to make the playoffs and maybe the 2nd round.

do you honestly believe Steph will be the only impact talent on the market.

B Diddy likely will be shopped and at 15 mill, its easier to make contracts/players match-up than at 18
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4/14/2006  2:45 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Please. The T-Wolves are completely stuck and are wasting KG's valuable prime years. Something like this is the only way they can surround him with the necessary talent to make the playoffs and maybe the 2nd round.

do you honestly believe Steph will be the only impact talent on the market.

B Diddy likely will be shopped and at 15 mill, its easier to make contracts/players match-up than at 18

It's about what KG wants. If he wants and thinks he needs Steph, then yeah McHale has to try and get Steph. KG already shown what he can do when he is not happy. They don't want to trade him, so the next best thing to do is make him happy at every turn.
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4/14/2006  2:56 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

No, no. You can still get something for him. Trade him to Minny with our 2 late picks for their late lottery pick and buyout the garbage contracts they ship us instead. Same financial loss but we actually get something worthwhile (a late lottery pick).

That is not going to happen.. If the knicks were to ship marbury to minny, more than likely they will take back the garbage with long term deals.. best thing to do is to buy him out.. MArbury's value is at an all- time low..

You will not get back equal value and his credibility is completely shot.. What team other than minny is willing to gamble on a loser/jinx player like marbury.. NO one..

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Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Please. The T-Wolves are completely stuck and are wasting KG's valuable prime years. Something like this is the only way they can surround him with the necessary talent to make the playoffs and maybe the 2nd round.

do you honestly believe Steph will be the only impact talent on the market.

B Diddy likely will be shopped and at 15 mill, its easier to make contracts/players match-up than at 18

It's about what KG wants. If he wants and thinks he needs Steph, then yeah McHale has to try and get Steph. KG already shown what he can do when he is not happy. They don't want to trade him, so the next best thing to do is make him happy at every turn.

you really KG would be against acquiring Baron Davis because his name is not Steph?

and its more than just get so and so, you have to have the pieces in place to make a deal. GS does. They'll have 11 players under contract at seasons end. Davis for Hudson Hassell and Griffin or Madsen works under the cap rules.
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4/14/2006  3:04 PM
KG is so frustrated with that organization, who knows. KG wants Steph 1) they have a close relationship (many morons just assume they don't or didn't), 2) believe it or not they communicate with each other 3) Davis doesn't have that relationship with KG 4) Minn. doesn't have anything the Warriors would be interested in acquiring, more like the other way around.
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4/14/2006  3:08 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Davis doesn't have that relationship with KG 4) Minn. doesn't have anything the Warriors would be interested in acquiring, more like the other way around.

how do you know Davis and KG aren't off the court friends?

and do the Wolves have anything we're interested in acquiring or is it just a Steph dump the same way it would be a Baron dump. I'd argue however that Hassell would be worth the while to Mullin. He likes Mario Elie.

NY papers only mention Steph because of the romance involved and he is relevant to here. That doesn't mean Steph is the only player KG has talked to management about possibly acquiring

[Edited by - McK1 on 04-14-2006 3:10 PM]
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4/14/2006  3:26 PM
Steph-KG

entire article:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=221230016

Kevin Garnett got the win, but no respect from former teammate Stephon
Marbury.


After the game Marbury was asked to compare the 20-year-old Stoudemire
to Garnett at the same age.


"It's not even close," Marbury said. "He doesn't even compare to
Amare. Two different people. It's like Michael Jordan and Mario Elie."


When Marbury's comments were played back for Garnett, the Wolves star
said: "This is Steph being jealous. I'm still on his mind. He used the
young fellow to come at me."


Marbury and Garnett were close as teammates during Marbury's first two
seasons in Minnesota, but grew apart. Marbury demanded a trade from
the Wolves in 1999 and has had a chilly relationship with Garnett ever
since.


"He's got three kids, a wife, a family, bills, all sorts of things.
But I'm still on his mind, like a girl," Garnett said.


[Edited by - McK1 on 04-14-2006 3:27 PM]
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4/14/2006  3:33 PM
lol @ garnett.....he;s da man

but steph...he hasnt grown up a single bit
''We don't have the luxury to take anybody lightly,'' New York's Quentin Richardson said. ''We're not that good.''
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4/14/2006  3:50 PM
Posted by McK1:

Steph-KG

entire article:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=221230016

Kevin Garnett got the win, but no respect from former teammate Stephon
Marbury.


After the game Marbury was asked to compare the 20-year-old Stoudemire
to Garnett at the same age.


"It's not even close," Marbury said. "He doesn't even compare to
Amare. Two different people. It's like Michael Jordan and Mario Elie."


When Marbury's comments were played back for Garnett, the Wolves star
said: "This is Steph being jealous. I'm still on his mind. He used the
young fellow to come at me."


Marbury and Garnett were close as teammates during Marbury's first two
seasons in Minnesota, but grew apart. Marbury demanded a trade from
the Wolves in 1999 and has had a chilly relationship with Garnett ever
since.


"He's got three kids, a wife, a family, bills, all sorts of things.
But I'm still on his mind, like a girl," Garnett said.


[Edited by - McK1 on 04-14-2006 3:27 PM]

Don't get into that stuff. MJ and Barkley traded shots all the time. Still the best of friends. Competition does that. Not sure if you would understand that type of stuff. But they communicate now, just as recently both said they want to play with the other. So I wouldn't read into that stuff. Still you haven't answer my question what does Minn. have that the Warriors want to get Davis?
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4/14/2006  4:04 PM
I don't want to waste roster spots on 4-5 marginal players and I'm worried that's gonna happen if we deal Steph to Minny. That's why I'd like to trade him for an expiring like Eddie Jones, if Memphis is at all interested.
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4/14/2006  4:07 PM
Posted by McK1:

Steph-KG

entire article:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=221230016

Kevin Garnett got the win, but no respect from former teammate Stephon
Marbury.


After the game Marbury was asked to compare the 20-year-old Stoudemire
to Garnett at the same age.


"It's not even close," Marbury said. "He doesn't even compare to
Amare. Two different people. It's like Michael Jordan and Mario Elie."


When Marbury's comments were played back for Garnett, the Wolves star
said: "This is Steph being jealous. I'm still on his mind. He used the
young fellow to come at me."


Marbury and Garnett were close as teammates during Marbury's first two
seasons in Minnesota, but grew apart. Marbury demanded a trade from
the Wolves in 1999 and has had a chilly relationship with Garnett ever
since.


"He's got three kids, a wife, a family, bills, all sorts of things.
But I'm still on his mind, like a girl," Garnett said.


[Edited by - McK1 on 04-14-2006 3:27 PM]

That article is several years old. What's your point? You don't think relationships change as people age?
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Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by Bonn1997:

No, no. You can still get something for him. Trade him to Minny with our 2 late picks for their late lottery pick and buyout the garbage contracts they ship us instead. Same financial loss but we actually get something worthwhile (a late lottery pick).

[b]That is not going to happen.. If the knicks were to ship marbury to minny, more than likely they will take back the garbage with long term deals.. [/size=1]

Read my 1st reply again. I said buyout those garbage players' contracts rather than buying out Marbury.

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Don't get into that stuff. MJ and Barkley traded shots all the time. Still the best of friends. Competition does that. Not sure if you would understand that type of stuff. But they communicate now, just as recently both said they want to play with the other. So I wouldn't read into that stuff. Still you haven't answer my question what does Minn. have that the Warriors want to get Davis?



Davis to Minny = Francis to NY - A PLAYER DUMP. I don't know if you follow all of the NBA but Baron to a large degree has done the same thing in regards to his coach and the locker room and his young big Ike that Francis did in Orlando. Its addition by subtraction

and bonn yes I'm aware relationships change. They've both stated they wouldn't mind re-uniting HOWEVER with twists that are both highly unlikely:

Steph going to Minny or KG going to NY.
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Posted by McK1:
Posted by Pharzeone:



Don't get into that stuff. MJ and Barkley traded shots all the time. Still the best of friends. Competition does that. Not sure if you would understand that type of stuff. But they communicate now, just as recently both said they want to play with the other. So I wouldn't read into that stuff. Still you haven't answer my question what does Minn. have that the Warriors want to get Davis?



Davis to Minny = Francis to NY - A PLAYER DUMP. I don't know if you follow all of the NBA but Baron to a large degree has done the same thing in regards to his coach and the locker room and his young big Ike that Francis did in Orlando. Its addition by subtraction

and bonn yes I'm aware relationships change. They've both stated they wouldn't mind re-uniting HOWEVER with twists that are both highly unlikely:

Steph going to Minny or KG going to NY.

Yeah, I know about Davis but you are comparing two organizations. The Knicks too a fault do not mind taking back crap, do you think that Cohan minds bringing back the same crap that the Knicks do in player dumps. I mean they are still crying about $44 million to Dunleavy, which is now reasonable in Knicks land. Marbury is a known tangent for KG and McHale, Davis is not.
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