He said that he wouldn't be surprised if the Knicks tried to either trade half the roster (which wouldn't be surprising because they suck) or if they made the players who are not willing to conform to LB's style either sit or go on the inactive list. He says those are very real, serious possibilities.

He also said the LB is one of the main reasons that the team sucks this year. He didn't said it is not totally his fault but has certainly has some resonbility. And he said it's disgraceful the way that LB trashes his players in the media. He said LB really should be reprimanded and forced to stop those antics.

I of course completley agree with SAS. The players aren't gelling, some of them have big egos, Isiah constructed a poor team ANNND Larry Brown has done a poor job coaching. Most people will agree with all of those points except the poor performance of LB. Why, I have no idea. Yeah he's a hall of fame coach but this year he stinks. Everything around him is bad but him? Doesn't make sense. If that's the case then Stephon Marbury should be considered a great player. He has great individual numbers. He's numbers are actually historic. But he's not viewed that way and that's because he seen as selfish and he's not a leader. And because of that he does not make the people around him better. Sorry, but the same is to be said about LB this year. His presence has not made his team better.

jalen rose is a smooth talker...and a BS artist...

Posted by djsunyc:

jalen rose is a smooth talker...and a BS artist...

sounds like our **** suckin GM

I'm pretty sure everyone on this board agrees with most of what was said, even the "LB lovers". But the disconnect comes in when you don't want him fired people tend to think that you think he's perfect. It's just a disconnect.

Speaking of Xavier McDaniel, did anyone see the TV show PROS vs. Joes, Xavier was on the show, and he looked HUGE. I wish some of our current Knick players had his toughness and attitude.

good post Nalod.

Fundamentally I agree with What larry is doing.
The execution has been awful.

I think you hit it there

Posted by fishmike:

good post Nalod.

Fundamentally I agree with What larry is doing.
The execution has been awful.

I think you hit it there

I don't know if I agree with what Brown is doing. I was totally unaware of his limitations as a coach before the start of the season but I always thought it was an issue with him (in the means that he is unable to adjust to his roster like other noteable coaches) but with that said. You must now look at your roster and see if they are players who could adjust their style of play to the coach. There has to be a middle ground somewhere.

Posted by fishmike:

here's my beef with that. How is having guys unwilling to work on defense a limitation of coaching? I mean Lenny let them shoot first and shoot often, but he also said after every post game that we need to defend better. After going 15-13 against the softest schedule in the NBA we went tank city and guys quit then also.
There's a big hole in your arguement and it starts and ends with the fact that the core and most talented players on our roster have terrible W/L records through their career.
So tell me... is Larry unable to adjust to the roster, or is this roster unable to play winning basketball?

LB hasnt had the triangle offense or the same system everywhere he's coached. Pistons were about team ball. Long athletic guys that locked down the passing lanes, owned the glass and forced you into one on one play. With the 76ers it was about 4 lunch pale guys and getting Iverson 30 good shots a game. The Pacers were slower, but a great half court team that ran pick and rolls and Reggie off screens. I think LB has adjusted to his rosters pretty well... everyone except this one that is.

Defense is not necessary to win games if your team isn't built like that. Nellie teams were notorious for being bad defensively but very potent on the offense. The Nets under Scott/Jordan played literally no half-court defense and token pressure full court but was able to fast break teams to death. So I am not buying that defense is needed to win games, it maybe needed to win a championship but it is not needed to win games. 2nd I questioned how Larry would rate defense. He constantly went on about how AD and Q Rich play defense, well you would believe them if you actually watch the games. I think the Knicks are suspectible to giving up the long shot, and the post too easy. Not sure if it is the players or the defensive sets being call as well. Curry is asked to play both sides of the ball every nite because Brown is reluctant to use JJ, but how effective would Curry and Butler would have been throughout the season together. It was a damn shame that the other nite during a game that Breen said wow, i think this is the first time I saw Curry and Butler on the floor at the same time. It was highly effective, that's mismanagement. Not recognizing strengths or adjustments when they are there instead of moaning about what they don't have. It that way Brown has failings, you don't get to coach all the guys you want every year. The problem with Brown is when that usually occurs he jumps ship because he can't adjust.

I think the key is that the culture is changing. Firing larry brown is no where near what i want...I would much prefer he stay on for his full contract and finish what he started. The same goes for Zeke AND Marbury. Let's finish what you started. Let's put in the hard work to make the team better, we all know what happens when nobody budges...I mean, new yorkers are renowned for their stubborn ways, and Larry and Starbury are both New Yorkers to the Core.

Now the statements that kill a pretty good post:
I've said numerous times that we ARE rebuilding. The record and the youth on the team demonstrate this. This year's record was not important. What was important was that we instill a culture.

I believe Larry has done a wonderful job of that. While his tactics are right there with Phil Jackson writing a book about kobe and Riley firing the coach that got them to the conference finals, they are tactics nonetheless.

Not only do you need to play larry's way, but you also have to have the ability to take what he is saying as coaching.

Reggie Miller HATED brown, but excelled under him as well.

Keeping in mind reggie didn't win a championship with brown, actually, nobody has won a championship with brown. Brown won a championship with the Pistons.

Let's see if he can actually win a championship with his system and his players. We've already gotten close a couple of times. If Larry isn't going to get us a title, then I'd rather see Curry, Crawford, Frye, Lee, Marbury, etc. running and gunning and winning some and losing some, making the playoffs and seeing if they can make some noise. (ala camby spree and company)

The heat got shaq, the pistons and spurs have one of the best GM's in history, everybody else has got nothing.

But trading players with special talents for flawed players with one dimension skills is not my cup of tea.

I'll take Franchise and Starbury over Eric Snow.
I'll take Curry and Frye over Theo Ratliff.

IF the players and Larry CAN make this thing work, we will be more than contenders, we will be a dynasty.

sorry, too much kool aid.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by gunsnewing:

well I'm pretty sure everyone here wants to win a championship. So this organization better start bringing in championship calibur players.

Can't agree with you more but if the question was what it takes to win games, all I am saying that all these cries for more defense is overplayed. Loosen up the 3 point restrictions that Brown placed on his team. Fast break more, instead of walking up the ball. Allow current lineups to adjust to games without making gut changes. Institute a training program to help players improve stamina (See Pat Riley), adjust style of defense from zone to man to man depending on your opposition (use those scouting reports).

some really good points there but I disagree with loosening up the 3pt restrictions since no one on this team can shoot and in order to run you have to play defense. you need better defensive players

Aaron Williams. Yeah Scott's Nets teams had very good defensive players and don't forget Kerry Kittles