Look at how this team responded after being called out in the media by their own teammates. All of a sudden they play with effort and do some of the things that LB wanted them to do all season which has resulted in competitive basketball much less wins. That's an indictment of the players for the lack of effort that they've shown the entire season.

First they got called out by Dolan a few months ago and they responded with better effort and couple of wins and now they get called out by Q and Rose in the press and they respond with better effort and 3 wins in a row. Did LB suddenly figure out how to coach again or was it the fact that the players weren't giving an honest effort? I think it's blatantly obvious now what the problem was all along.

blaming lb is misplaced. some don't want to see or admit it...but it is misplaced. lb being here WILL turn this franchise around. you have to think big picture here.

Look at how this team responded after being called out in the media by their own teammates. All of a sudden they play with effort and do some of the things that LB wanted them to do all season which has resulted in competitive basketball much less wins. That's an indictment of the players for the lack of effort that they've shown the entire season.

First they got called out by Dolan a few months ago and they responded with better effort and couple of wins and now they get called out by Q and Rose in the press and they respond with better effort and 3 wins in a row. Did LB suddenly figure out how to coach again or was it the fact that the players weren't giving an honest effort? I think it's blatantly obvious now what the problem was all along.

The Knicks winning 3 games in the garbage time of the NBA season (Extended garbage time in this case) doesn't prove anything. For that matter, if they win the next 6 games, they still will ONLY be 5 games worse than last season.

Obviously it is the players, the coach has no culpability in this most god-awful of seasons.

The time to make any kind of statement that means anything came and went a long time ago.

blaming lb is misplaced. some don't want to see or admit it...but it is misplaced. lb being here WILL turn this franchise around. you have to think big picture here.

I only wish that I could agree with you, but unfortunately, NO COACH has the ability to turn any franchise around and turn them into a contender. A coach can only enhance or dehance the team they have. In my eyes, LB has dehanced the Knicks quite a bit this year.

blaming lb is misplaced. some don't want to see or admit it...but it is misplaced. lb being here WILL turn this franchise around. you have to think big picture here.

I can't agree that LB will turn this franchise around with "LB kind of players", if those players are the Eric Snows and Theo Ratliffs of the world. The only thing that can make a franchise into a contender is a franchise level player or in very rare cases like the Detroit Bad Boys and the current incarnation of Detroit, a bunch of all-star level players. Just look at the last 27 champions and true champion contenders and you will find one common factor: A franchise player.

Maybe if LB gets his kind of players he can make the Knicks respectable; I think he should have had this team at least approaching respectability, everybody else around here thought so as well, they only changed their minds when it didn't happen.

LB cannot save this team. Only a franchise player can save this team. Without a franchise player the Knicks are HOPEFULLY headed for mediocrity/decency. That is a goal you can hope for from a coach, to ask a coach to turn a team around into a contender is simply unfair.

The big question is: Can the Knicks land a franchise talent?

That's on Isiah and noone else.

I think its a combination of both: LB + players.

That is a truly realistic and equitable comment.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 04-10-2006 12:23 PM]

Its still the end of the season and basically we have a bunch of fresh kids who didn't log a lot of minutes all year. Its
a bit of a stretch to think that other teams aren't feeling the end of the season blahs. Still I think that what this recent good stretch indicates is that we had some talent and should've won more games. I fault LB more cuz he never gave this team a chance to win, with all of his antics on and off the court this year. LB isn't a motivator and for the most part players tend not to really like him or his ways. Now if your team wins then you can put up with LB, but make no mistake, we wouldn't even have him right how if he didn't have his own issues. LB fits right in with all of the guys here. Other teams castoffs. He may have won but he still a problem child just like all the other knicks, he just gets more credit cuz he won.

I'm all for playing the kids and have been from the start. I also think we have to explore any chance we might be able to pry KG from minny. If not then we go young and keep moving in that direction. I really like the young core of this team. They just need time together to grow and we need to add a pure shooter, shotblocker/rebounder and a defensive swingman. Those role players would make this a tough team to beat.

Posted by djsunyc:

"He definitely puts on a great show for me from the sideline," Curry said. "He's quietly been the most consistent person on the team, from the beginning of the season. Changed his whole game, changed his whole demeanor and really bought into what Coach Brown was trying to teach. If we could have had more guys like that, this could have been a different season."

hey, look, the players know what the deal was also.

you're now taking the word of a man you called a buttermilk biscuit less than 24 hours ago?

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Marv:

Posted by djsunyc:

"He definitely puts on a great show for me from the sideline," Curry said. "He's quietly been the most consistent person on the team, from the beginning of the season. Changed his whole game, changed his whole demeanor and really bought into what Coach Brown was trying to teach. If we could have had more guys like that, this could have been a different season."

hey, look, the players know what the deal was also.

you're now taking the word of a man you called a buttermilk biscuit less than 24 hours ago?

even buttermilk biscuits must be heard...

well, strangely, that makes total sense.

You think this is garbage time? We just beat 3 teams jockying for playoff position, one fighting for a playoff spot. Its not like we beat other cellar dwellers.

I guess it depends on how much of an optimist one is, some see the glass as 1/10 full rather than 9/10 empty.

It has been garbage time for the knicks for about 30 games now. I am not about to get excited about barely beating the Cavs without Z (Giving up an enormous lead), finally beating Indy, then beating Boston (Who is not contending for a playoff spot) without Szcerbiak or Al Jefferson.

As a matter of fact, nobody the Knicks beat at this point can get me excited, That's just a tease. I'm not Charlie Brown so Lucy ain't pulling the football out from me! I don't care for moral achievements especially after so much relentless demoralization.

oohah

Posted by McK1:

Posted by djsunyc:

really bought into what Coach Brown was trying to teach. If we could have had more guys like that, this could have been a different season."

Is Curry too dumb to know he is in "the not buying in" group


[Edited by - McK1 on 04-10-2006 1:11 PM]

That's very funny.

He, Mo and JJ are in the "ordering in" group.

Larry Brown has ruined some great players this year. He's trashed our stars

while not being directly trashed, Crawford was almost traded.

however the "what am I going to invent a point guard" response to steph's request to play 2 was definitely referring to him [and Nate] and "we have no head out there" implicated all 3

can't forget Nate



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