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"[Brown] was just giving me some advice," said Dalembert, who is expected to start his third game in succession tonight against the Cleveland Cavaliers. "He was hearing what was going on here. He had some critiques and stuff like that, but overall it was like talking with my old coach, my first coach in the NBA. He was very helpful; we talked about some different stuff, but mainly it was about me."

Brown was the Sixers coach and vice-president of basketball operations in 2001, when Dalembert became their first-round pick from Seton Hall. Dalembert barely played as a rookie, then sat out his second season after knee surgery. Brown left the Sixers after the 2002-03 season, spent two seasons coaching the Detroit Pistons, then took over the Knicks this season. "I love him, even though I never really got a chance to play for him," Dalembert said.

That was evident the way Iverson played hard for his old sparring partner, (Larry) Brown, the Olympic coach. "Looking back on everything that happened with me and coach, 99% of the time it was my fault," he says. "I see that now, definitely. ... Now that he's gone, you understand you lost a lot." The right way was not born of a single brainstorm or a single coach. Brown is not even sure where the expression came from or how long he has been using it. Based on a Lexis/Nexis search, the handy maxim has been in Brown's repertory for at least 13 years.

"I'm mad," Brown said on Dec. 25, 1992, after a loss by his Los Angeles Clippers. "But that's my responsibility. I've got to get guys to play the right way. But I see a two-on-one break, and we don't make a pass. Defensively, a guy beats us and there's nobody there to help out."

"We appreciate everything LB did for us, and I know he made each of us better players," Billups said. "Larry is a grown man, and he had to take care of his business," forward Rasheed Wallace said. "To me and to a lot of other guys on this team, he was more than just a coach. We were very concerned about his health. He gives coach Larry Brown much of the credit for the way his game has flourished. Billups came into the league with a scorer's mentality. Under Brown's tutelage, he plays more of a traditional point guard's game, looking to get his teammates involved first and then looking for his shot. "I've learned so much from him about this game, about my game," Billups says. "It's priceless, really." Brown has a reputation for being tough on point guards, having played that position. When he talks about Billups' development, there's pride in his voice.

"He's done a remarkable job under difficult circumstances dealing with me," Brown says. "Anybody that's played for me (knows) I've put a lot of responsibility on the point guard. He's sacrificed as much as anybody I've ever coached for the benefit of the team." In Detroit, Brown took another point guard who wasn't his type--Chauncey Billups--and changed him. He taught Billups to attack immediately on defense to get the ball out of the opposing point guard's hands. He taught Billups to eschew his own offense, and to give up popping 3-pointers on fast breaks. Billups averaged 5.2 assists under Brown after averaging 4.2 before Brown.

What are you expecting from Richard Hamilton this season?

Larry Brown: I think as the year went on he got better in every area of the game and I think that's what he wants to do. He wants to become a complete player. His assists went up, he rebounded better, he defended better as the season went on. Everyone knows he's a terrific scorer, especially in the mid-range game and he never stops trying to get himself open. I think he'll continue to improve, because that's the type of kid he is.

Is it harder today to get a group of players to play as a team, and if so, why?

Larry Brown: I think it probably is harder to get young players to play as a team, but it's not because they don't want to. It's because they haven't been asked to. Most young players that we have didn't go through four years of college, where as freshman and sophomores, they had roles defined, and maybe had to sacrifice for some of the older kids. But I think they all want to do the right thing. That's something we all have to keep in mind. To me, kids want to be coached, and sometimes a lot of us shy away from doing that, and they're the ones that suffer, but I truly believe they all want to play the right way. It's just a matter of priorities. It is helpful if you have older guys on your team that do have character and understand the importance of being a good teammate and playing the right way.

Jamal Crawford on playing the right way: When he (Coach Brown) says that, it's not just pass the ball. It's being there for a teammate on defense and being a good teammate. When the veterans were making their run, the young guys had to be on the bench cheering which goes with playing the right way. Anybody can be the leading scorer any night. We don't care who the leading scorer is. We just want to win. We're a deep team like I've always said. That's probably our greatest strength. We just have to continue to do that and keep moving forward.

Crawford On Coach Larry Brown: "He is probably the best Coach in the NBA. I am probably a little biased now, working with him everyday, but if he is hard on me everyday it means he sees something in me."

Q-Rich On the team: I think that we have to look at ourselves in the mirror and take the time to figure it out together. It's not something we can do alone. We have to ask what we can do together.

Crawford On halftime talk: He wasn't yelling, he was just talking about the game and what we needed to do to get ourselves out of a hole. It was just coach being coach.

Channing Frye: "It is funny that everybody thinks I have blossomed (during rookie campaign) and I think I am playing alright. I feel like there is a lot of growing I can do. Coach challenges me every day to become a complete player and that is what I am working towards. Hopefully in that process we can get some more wins and I can contribute a little bit better to the team."

Jamal Crawford: As far as playing point, I look at it as a new challenge. I'm excited about it. You know, most of my career I've just been asked to score but, you know, playing for Coach Brown, he's asking you to do different things and that's worked out well for me. You know, I like setting other people up and getting people in positions because it's almost like a quarterback on a football field. You feel like you're in control...But when Coach sat me down and explained it to me that we just needed me coming off the bench and I would still play starter minutes and my role would be the same, it's almost like we have six starters. So I understood the big picture and I adapted to it. And coaches told me to be aggressive just like I was as a starter and they still call my number a lot so I'm excited about that...You know, we have a guy who's won at every level in Coach Brown and he's just teaching us every day. He never gives up on us and he wants us to be better players and better men. He's teaching us about life and so I think there's so much to offer with our team and it'll translate in wins sooner or later.

"Larry taught me to be patient -- yet aggressive," says Crawford. "When I first came off the bench, I didn't understand what that meant. I didn't want to step on anybody's toes so I was playing too tentative. But now I feel like I'm playing my best ball ever. And that's direct credit to Larry not letting guys off the hook and driving us as much as possible."

"I don't remember enjoying another game more this year than last night," said Brown. "And I enjoyed it even more on film. The young kids, the way they played together, their enthusiasm...I don't think I have rewarded the guys that have come to work every day. But some of those kids are real young and you hope they understand. Look at Qyntel, the way his career's been going. He starts against Memphis, played great -- then he sits the next five games. ... Jamal has bought in from day one... he's probably sacrificed more than anyone, him and Quentin. Hopefully, we'll get more and more guys thinking like that."
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4/4/2006  4:08 PM
Maybe Francis and Marbs will be gone next season... JC at PG and Q1 at SG, Q2 at SF, Frye at PF and Curry Center?

Will this start to resemble a team in season 2 of LB? Or will it be more drama?

As the garden turns...
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4/4/2006  4:08 PM
where was this article from?
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4/4/2006  4:11 PM
That was evident the way Iverson played hard for his old sparring partner, (Larry) Brown, the Olympic coach. "Looking back on everything that happened with me and coach, 99% of the time it was my fault," he says. "I see that now, definitely. ... Now that he's gone, you understand you lost a lot." The right way was not born of a single brainstorm or a single coach. Brown is not even sure where the expression came from or how long he has been using it. Based on a Lexis/Nexis search, the handy maxim has been in Brown's repertory for at least 13 years.

i think that says it all.

martin - a friend of mine emailed it to me. i think it's a bunch of excerpts.
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Posted by djsunyc:
That was evident the way Iverson played hard for his old sparring partner, (Larry) Brown, the Olympic coach. "Looking back on everything that happened with me and coach, 99% of the time it was my fault," he says. "I see that now, definitely. ... Now that he's gone, you understand you lost a lot." The right way was not born of a single brainstorm or a single coach. Brown is not even sure where the expression came from or how long he has been using it. Based on a Lexis/Nexis search, the handy maxim has been in Brown's repertory for at least 13 years.

i think that says it all.

martin - a friend of mine emailed it to me. i think it's a bunch of excerpts.

your friend isn't "Barry Lrown" is he? cause this may be suspect.
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4/4/2006  4:15 PM


ok, we get it Larry is great...now can we win more than 20 games...
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4/4/2006  4:16 PM
Posted by holfresh:

ok, we get it Larry is great...now can we win more than 20 games...

that would entail the removal of some anal warts on this team...patience young grasshoppah...
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4/4/2006  4:21 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by holfresh:

ok, we get it Larry is great...now can we win more than 20 games...

that would entail the removal of some anal warts on this team...patience young grasshoppah...



And 30 games does not qualify either, 30 wins next year and I want Larry's head...

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4/4/2006  4:22 PM

Funny I didnt see any quotes from Marbs and Nate in that article...
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4/4/2006  4:25 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by holfresh:

ok, we get it Larry is great...now can we win more than 20 games...

that would entail the removal of some anal warts on this team...patience young grasshoppah...

And 30 games does not qualify either, 30 wins next year and I want Larry's head...

you see, you already have set up a scenario where you can lay all the blame on him. 30 games...would be a +11 turnaround btw. too bad you didn't have that this year for steph, the guy that said "i want to be judged by wins."
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4/4/2006  4:52 PM
"I don't remember enjoying another game more this year than last night," said Brown. "And I enjoyed it even more on film. The young kids, the way they played together, their enthusiasm...I don't think I have rewarded the guys that have come to work every day. But some of those kids are real young and you hope they understand. Look at Qyntel, the way his career's been going. He starts against Memphis, played great -- then he sits the next five games. ... Jamal has bought in from day one... he's probably sacrificed more than anyone, him and Quentin. Hopefully, we'll get more and more guys thinking like that."

Does this paragraph not blatantly tell fans that LB was not coaching for wins but coaching for lessons. He just came out and said it right here. But impatient fans will still callfor his head.
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4/4/2006  4:55 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Funny I didnt see any quotes from Marbs and Nate in that article...

OH MY GOD!!! IT MUST BE A CONSPIRACY!!
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"I don't remember enjoying another game more this year than last night," said Brown. "And I enjoyed it even more on film. The young kids, the way they played together, their enthusiasm...I don't think I have rewarded the guys that have come to work every day. But some of those kids are real young and you hope they understand. Look at Qyntel, the way his career's been going. He starts against Memphis, played great -- then he sits the next five games. ... Jamal has bought in from day one... he's probably sacrificed more than anyone, him and Quentin. Hopefully, we'll get more and more guys thinking like that."

Does this paragraph not blatantly tell fans that LB was not coaching for wins but coaching for lessons. He just came out and said it right here. But impatient fans will still callfor his head.



Bip, with all do respect, I have no interest in the self gratification Larry gets after seeing what he thinks is individual progress...What I do care about is the team making progress towards improving...Thats usually expressed in wins and losses..Excuse me if I don't beat off because larry see reason to be happy...We are as lost today as we were at the beginning of the year...That quote could have been taken from the any point of this season and would make perfect sense...If you were a Knick fan, at some point you would want to see progress...It's been a year....One Year and we are looking forward to revamping the roster after a year under Brown...One more year of this mess will be truly unbearable, but you are making it seem like the fun has just begun.....

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holfresh: From where we were it had to get worse before it gets better. We were on the road to no where. The inmates were running the place. Of course a guy comes in to change things and bam you have the 2005-06 Knicks. Patience.
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4/4/2006  5:24 PM


Bip I do agree to a certain extent..That agruement holds true before the first 40 games...But this team has shown no signs of getting better...We all though by now we should have seen a unit putting it together by now...Now it's the offseason and we have to go through that entire process another year...When do you start asking for results...
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4/4/2006  6:25 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Funny I didnt see any quotes from Marbs and Nate in that article...
they were probably too busy talking about their stats
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4/4/2006  7:14 PM
more from lb and the players:

"As far as everything's been going on, he has pretty much just killed it," said Marbury. "He told me to play the way he wants me to play -- and if I don't think it's the right way just bear with it. And I didn't say yes and I didn't say no...But, basically, I can do that and be happy -- with some tweaks. I feel like I can do anything I want to do on the basketball court." "So what do I do now, as far as the way I play?" Marbury said in the interview. "I go back to playing like Stephon Marbury, aka 'Starbury.' I haven't been 'Starbury' this year. I've been some other dude this year ...When you watch the games, that's not Stephon Marbury."

"If this was my contract year and I went to any organization, based on how I played this year, and asked for the max, tell me what they would tell me," Marbury said in the interview. "They'd say, 'That ain't happening.' " "We're still trying to figure out what we're supposed to do on the basketball court," Marbury said. "It is unusual but it is what it is." "I think it's personal now. I don't think it's about basketball anymore. If it was about basketball, we'd be talking about basketball." "I'm no longer going to allow him to say things about me and I'm not going to say anything back. That's just not going to happen. I allowed him to drag me the first three, four months in the paper and I didn't say one word. I just sat back and took it. I'm not taking it no more. If something's going to be said, I'm going to defend myself. My mother taught me that. If somebody hits you, you hit them back." "If coach is comparing his career to my career, he's got like a 20-year edge on me. To me that sounds like a lot of insecurity is going on. ... He's speaking on things he's done, and I think people in New York want to know what he's going to do, you know, as far as us winning. What happened in the past is the past. I think New Yorkers can relate [to] what's going to happen now. We live more in the present."
"He always crosses the line. That's not nothing new. Certain coaches deal with certain things certain ways, and he handles his things through the media as opposed to sitting down and talking with people. And still, if you sit down and you talk with coach, it's liable to get back to everybody, so you're really not safe there either."

LB On Stephon Marbury: "I'm on him all the time at the end of the clock or in crucial situations, to be aggressive. I hear from him what he thinks he can do and what he'd like to do The coach also commented on the Iverson and Marbury comparisons: "(Allan Iverson) played the game trying to win, played as hard as he possibly could," Brown said. "Played hurt, broken down, competed every single night, and we had a team around him that accepted what he could do. And they all knew that every single night he's trying to win the game. ... He competed every single minute of every game." "I don't know why you play a team sport and not be concerned about making your teammates better and helping your team win games. That's the only thing that really matters, and if you're the best player, surely you're going to have some effect on the game's outcome. And I've said this from Day 1, I've never given anybody in my career more free rein. In my career. And I went to the conference finals with Haywoode Workman as the point guard. Eric Snow was the fourth-string point guard in Seattle, and we went to the NBA Finals [with Snow in Philadelphia]. I've been around guys, and every good team, it's all about team, and that's what we're going to try and get. You want to come and join that? That's fine. That's the only message that needs to be sent. You want to be part of the team and make your teammates better, you want to care about the right things and playing the right way, this is a pretty good place to be. You don't have that on your agenda, then this is probably a bad place to be."

David Lee: "To me, Larry is a gift," according to Lee. "He is so picky about what he wants, in practice, even in shootaround. Every drill, and every rep of every drill, he expects perfection. As crazy as it was in college -- Billy D. coached a lot and I was the first in the gym and the last to leave -- this is entirely another level. It makes you REALLY focus. Larry is on you every second of every practice. And, with my open mind to get better, this is the greatest possible thing." "Overall, this year had been a great learning experience," says Lee. "As a team, we've had a few ups here and there and a lot of downs. What we are going through this year keeps on reminding me how much fun it is to win. You just feel so much better. It taught me the value of winning. I love the way the fans are tough on us here -- it makes you want to work even harder, you want to produce." "We have the talent to turn things around here next year," says Lee. "And we obviously have the coach to do it. I've only been around a little while so I don't know enough about the NBA yet to know exactly what wins and what doesn't. But I think, on paper, we've got what it takes to be a very good team. So now it's up to us to do everything in our power to realize that potential."

Nate Rob: Like coach says, 'If you do all the little things you will be surprised how big the outcome will be.' The outcome was a victory. We just went out there and fought. Regardless of what happens, we are going to go out there and fight." Robinson admitted that he's struggled to adapt to Brown's demanding ways: "Every time Coach talks to me he says listen to the message, not how it's said," Robinson said. "It's kinda hard to really listen to exactly what he says instead of taking it personally, trying to do everything right for him and it's not good enough. At the same time you can't look at it that way. You've got to look at it like he's trying to help you." Of his ****y demeanor, Robinson said: "That's who I am. That's been me my whole life. It's hard to ask me not to do it."

Maurice Taylor: "It's typical of what goes on here," the nine-year veteran said. "It's a slap in the face. Nobody ever knows who's going to play and who's not." Taylor said he was especially annoyed because he had been sacrificing by playing through injury when he felt the team needed him while Jerome James was hurt. "I played for a month with a sore knee," he said. "I wanted to be availablebecause Jerome was out. But then I took a hit (in Memphis) and couldn't play. To go through that, and then to hear it from Jonathan, that's a kick in the face, especially to a veteran guy." Taylor vowed he would be professional about the situation and continue to work hard, even though he doesn't see a future for himself with the Knicks. "The season is coming to a close," he said. "There isn't much, obviously, that I can do. I wish things had been handled in a better way, a more respectful way. But I'm going to be professional and do my job and do whatever they ask." Taylor, whose contract expires after next season, said he knows he has no future with the Knicks. "Oh, I'm pretty sure I don't," Taylor said. "I know it's a business."
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4/4/2006  8:36 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
That was evident the way Iverson played hard for his old sparring partner, (Larry) Brown, the Olympic coach. "Looking back on everything that happened with me and coach, 99% of the time it was my fault," he says. "I see that now, definitely. ... Now that he's gone, you understand you lost a lot." The right way was not born of a single brainstorm or a single coach. Brown is not even sure where the expression came from or how long he has been using it. Based on a Lexis/Nexis search, the handy maxim has been in Brown's repertory for at least 13 years.

i think that says it all.

martin - a friend of mine emailed it to me. i think it's a bunch of excerpts.

djsunyc,
what's going on... no need to say no more!! i know who sent it... Good, now all them larry haters can keep quiet try to understand what's he's trying to do.. also, the deadbeats players on this squad will definitely be gone....
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4/4/2006  9:18 PM
so you're saying winning 30 will signify a great job by Brown? This team has enough talent to be .500 at least. Any less is failure by Marbs, Brown and the rest of the team..
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by holfresh:

ok, we get it Larry is great...now can we win more than 20 games...

that would entail the removal of some anal warts on this team...patience young grasshoppah...

And 30 games does not qualify either, 30 wins next year and I want Larry's head...

you see, you already have set up a scenario where you can lay all the blame on him. 30 games...would be a +11 turnaround btw. too bad you didn't have that this year for steph, the guy that said "i want to be judged by wins."

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4/5/2006  8:12 AM
It amazes me that guys can come to work everyngigth, not play D, not hustle and turn the ball over 25 times a night and then complain about the coach yelling at them.

That's like me showing up late for work, not making phone calls and taking 3 hour lunches and calling my boss a jerk for firing me.

Our players are insane!!!!!!!!!!! Oops I hope none of them reads this, it may be an excuse not to play hard.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 04-05-2006 08:12 AM]
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