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Panos
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4/4/2006  1:23 PM
You will NEVER see another unprotected pick traded before the season starts for anything less than a top 10 talent. Nevermind two years!
This year's experience will be entered as a case study into the GM text book for what NOT to do.

Losing the first pick in the draft (after making us BAD ENOUGH TO EARN IT) should result in IT's pink slip.
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4/4/2006  1:27 PM
Posted by Panos:

You will NEVER see another unprotected pick traded before the season starts for anything less than a top 10 talent. Nevermind two years!
This year's experience will be entered as a case study into the GM text book for what NOT to do.

Losing the first pick in the draft (after making us BAD ENOUGH TO EARN IT) should result in IT's pink slip.

some might say that the whole of Isiah's experiece as the Knicks GM could be a case study.
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holfresh
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4/4/2006  1:51 PM
Posted by Panos:

You will NEVER see another unprotected pick traded before the season starts for anything less than a top 10 talent. Nevermind two years!
This year's experience will be entered as a case study into the GM text book for what NOT to do.

Losing the first pick in the draft (after making us BAD ENOUGH TO EARN IT) should result in IT's pink slip.



Honestly tell me something, who would you select in the first round over Curry, and don't say we didn't have to leave the lottery pick unprotected....There is no way one GM in league would trade Curry for Sweets straight up...NOT ONE....I would do that trade right now in a heatbeat, no pun intended because it's Curry we are talking about....Now that Curry is rounding in shape, who would you select over him???

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4/4/2006  1:58 PM
Posted by holfresh:

Now that Curry is rounding in shape, who would you select over him???


Thomas Noah Aldrige Roy Morrison Gay Splitter Foye
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4/4/2006  2:13 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by holfresh:

Now that Curry is rounding in shape, who would you select over him???


Thomas Noah Aldrige Roy Morrison Gay Splitter Foye



This will be the worst draft in the history of the NBA...There are a few players on this list that won't be coming out or it will be a mistake if they come out....It's not even a guarnatee that half of these guys on you list can make it on the NBA level...

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4/4/2006  2:20 PM
Posted by holfresh:

It's not even a guarnatee that half of these guys on you list can make it on the NBA level...


and Curry has?

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4/4/2006  2:55 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by holfresh:

Now that Curry is rounding in shape, who would you select over him???


Thomas Noah Aldrige Roy Morrison Gay Splitter Foye

Actually, I doubt any team would even give up an expiring contract and pick #25 for Eddy Curry. I'd rather have a guy who works hard and plays good defense like Hilton Armstrong or Josh Boone
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4/4/2006  2:58 PM
I would definitely take Tyrus Thomas, Noah, Aldridge over Curry. The fact that those are likely the top three picks is pretty damning to our Zeke.
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4/4/2006  3:09 PM


You guys are a little harsh...Boone probally will get limited play in the NBA..Armstrong is good but I'm not sure how his game translate..Tyrus Thomas and Noah is not ready come out this year....You guys are just pushing it to illustrate your points...

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4/4/2006  3:24 PM
Posted by holfresh:



You guys are a little harsh...Boone probally will get limited play in the NBA..Armstrong is good but I'm not sure how his game translate..Tyrus Thomas and Noah is not ready come out this year....You guys are just pushing it to illustrate your points...

Fine, then I'll take Tyrus Thomas or Noah with next years pick.

See, it works for this year AND next year.

And to answer your question, I'd rather have Aldridge or Gay this year AND Tyrus or Noah next year (if not Oden) instead of lazy ass Curry.
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4/4/2006  3:31 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by holfresh:



You guys are a little harsh...Boone probally will get limited play in the NBA..Armstrong is good but I'm not sure how his game translate..Tyrus Thomas and Noah is not ready come out this year....You guys are just pushing it to illustrate your points...

Fine, then I'll take Tyrus Thomas or Noah with next years pick.

See, it works for this year AND next year.

And to answer your question, I'd rather have Aldridge or Gay this year AND Tyrus or Noah next year (if not Oden) instead of lazy ass Curry.



If Gay comes out he is a fool...He has proven he is not ready for prime time....how does you coach take you out of a college game at a critical juncture and think you are ready for the NBA.....

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4/4/2006  3:36 PM

Curry has to get the benefit of a doubt due to his heart ailment...Guys he couldn't work out all summer...Finally he has gotten into some sort of shape now and is unstoppable in the post the last few games...The guards haven't figured out how to get the ball to him, still...He has some insane FG percentage the last 55 shots...i think he has scored 40 plus of his last baskets in 55 shots....



[Edited by - holfresh on 04-04-2006 3:36 PM]
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4/4/2006  3:36 PM
tell you something, owning the draft rights to someone like Thomas, Aldridge, Gay, Morrison, etc AND controlling next year's pick is a hell of a lot better than having an overweight center with a suspect work ethic that makes $8mm+ a year. Its not just the player(s) we miss out on, but the leverage and opportunities.

How many teams on draft day will be calling us DYING to trade for Eddie Curry? I'm pretty sure the Bulls will be getting some interesting offers though.

Just saying this is only about the players is stupid. The draft is always about potential, leverage and opportunity. Having a top 3 pick along with some expiring contacts would have given us some pretty wild options. The Bulls have those options now. Next year too maybe.
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4/4/2006  3:42 PM
Posted by Panos:

You will NEVER see another unprotected pick traded before the season starts for anything less than a top 10 talent. Nevermind two years!
This year's experience will be entered as a case study into the GM text book for what NOT to do.

Losing the first pick in the draft (after making us BAD ENOUGH TO EARN IT) should result in IT's pink slip.

I hope your right but I wouldnt even count on it. come to think of it, Ive never even heard thomas refer to the curry trade as a mistake. although I hope he secretely realized it, or he's even worse of a Gm than I thought.
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4/4/2006  3:47 PM
Posted by fishmike:

tell you something, owning the draft rights to someone like Thomas, Aldridge, Gay, Morrison, etc AND controlling next year's pick is a hell of a lot better than having an overweight center with a suspect work ethic that makes $8mm+ a year. Its not just the player(s) we miss out on, but the leverage and opportunities.

How many teams on draft day will be calling us DYING to trade for Eddie Curry? I'm pretty sure the Bulls will be getting some interesting offers though.

Just saying this is only about the players is stupid. The draft is always about potential, leverage and opportunity. Having a top 3 pick along with some expiring contacts would have given us some pretty wild options. The Bulls have those options now. Next year too maybe.



Thats because Curry is untouchable at this point...You have to be insane if you would rather have Gay or Morrison over Curry...Ill see what the Bulls do the coming draft with all their picks..I'll guarantee this, the Bulls won't be mouch better next year...

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4/4/2006  3:51 PM
Look, it does not matter what pick Isiah gave up. It ain't ours.

Now that is if Curry does not pan out.

All those college kids look like world beaters last night. Heat of the moment.

It will take about 4 year to answer that question.

My thinking is that Curry is workable and still has vast potential.

This summer will tell a lot.

The College game is really diluted these days. Some nice kids. NBA is taking in a lot of Euros and they are not in college either. Curry would have had 45 points last nite if he played on either team.

Farmar impressed me.
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4/4/2006  4:07 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by fishmike:

tell you something, owning the draft rights to someone like Thomas, Aldridge, Gay, Morrison, etc AND controlling next year's pick is a hell of a lot better than having an overweight center with a suspect work ethic that makes $8mm+ a year. Its not just the player(s) we miss out on, but the leverage and opportunities.

How many teams on draft day will be calling us DYING to trade for Eddie Curry? I'm pretty sure the Bulls will be getting some interesting offers though.

Just saying this is only about the players is stupid. The draft is always about potential, leverage and opportunity. Having a top 3 pick along with some expiring contacts would have given us some pretty wild options. The Bulls have those options now. Next year too maybe.



Thats because Curry is untouchable at this point...You have to be insane if you would rather have Gay or Morrison over Curry...Ill see what the Bulls do the coming draft with all their picks..I'll guarantee this, the Bulls won't be mouch better next year...


why would curry be untouchable? he hasnt really been doing that much. regardless if its becuase of him or larry. also what makes you think the bulls wont be much better? they have some very desirable draft picks along with a ton of cap space. I know that such things dont garauntee improvement but gernerally speaking teams in those circumstance do improve significantly.
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4/4/2006  4:19 PM


He is untouchable because Dolan says so...Dolan told Larry his job is to teach Curry to play ball on his last trip with the Knicks...The Bull won't be better because there is no one they can get in the draft that are better than the players on their roster...I jsut don't understand why you guys are so high on this draft....

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4/4/2006  4:23 PM
Posted by holfresh:



He is untouchable because Dolan says so...Dolan told Larry his job is to teach Curry to play ball on his last trip with the Knicks...The Bull won't be better because there is no one they can get in the draft that are better than the players on their roster...I jsut don't understand why you guys are so high on this draft....

the bulls will either draft two very good players (doesn't have to be studs persay) or trade our pick in a blockbuster of sorts. they have the options.

if they're able to land any two of the following players: aldridge/t2/noah/roy/shelden/morrison - that makes them better than having curry.

you know, they can add pieces to build a TEAM or they can trade our pick + ben gordon for paul pierce.

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4/4/2006  4:27 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by holfresh:



He is untouchable because Dolan says so...Dolan told Larry his job is to teach Curry to play ball on his last trip with the Knicks...The Bull won't be better because there is no one they can get in the draft that are better than the players on their roster...I jsut don't understand why you guys are so high on this draft....

the bulls will either draft two very good players (doesn't have to be studs persay) or trade our pick in a blockbuster of sorts. they have the options.

if they're able to land any two of the following players: aldridge/t2/noah/roy/shelden/morrison - that makes them better than having curry.

you know, they can add pieces to build a TEAM or they can trade our pick + ben gordon for paul pierce.



Guys, picks has to have value to make a trade work....It does matter if Gay or Morrison is the 3rd pick...No one is giving up Pierce for that package...No one is jumping on the bandwagon because the pick has no 2 or no 3 attached to it...If Morrison is the pick then there is no way I'm trading Pierce for Morrison and Ben Gordon...

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