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djsunyc
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4/3/2006  12:41 PM
Daly, 75, retired in Jupiter, Fla., said Thomas is "collecting assets" to make the key trade that will turn around the franchise.

and therein lies the entire strategy of isiah thomas. all the recycling of big money deals. all the accumulation of big time expiring contracts. all the BS spewed by the front office. all of that...to acquire a franchise player. again, like i said before, we are going to go ALL out for KG and jermaine and isiah will drive frye to the airport personally to get it done. and this has NOTHING to do with lb. this was the plan from the get go.
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4/3/2006  12:44 PM
I'll join the fire Isiah parade. Having either of those players doesn't guarantee crap.
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4/3/2006  12:45 PM
How do we know what he said is true?
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4/3/2006  12:53 PM
And Having Frye Does????? Let's get serious here I like frye alot but if you can get a already established Star go get him.
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4/3/2006  12:54 PM
Larry Brown is going to die of old age pretty soon......so Isiah has to continue to move mountains to get Larry the vets that he needs to "play the right way".

Isiah screwed himself.



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4/3/2006  1:01 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Larry Brown is going to die of old age pretty soon......so Isiah has to continue to move mountains to get Larry the vets that he needs to "play the right way".

Isiah screwed himself.



i had a 15 minute discussion with isiah at a season subscriber q&a last june. everyone was asking him some baby questions then i raise my hand and talk to him about our salary cap and our method of acquiring players. (btw, to this day, the PR guys and marketing guys tell me they never had anybody ask such hard and serious questions before - too funny). i wasn't being a jerk, i was a concerned fan. so in essence, what he told me (after some back and forth dialogue) was that there was no intention of getting under the cap and that franchise players in the league today are traded for, not signed outright. and he's right about that, that's been the M.O. as of late. this has been his plan from day one. that's why dolan is allowing all of this free spending. there is an end goal, and whether that's kg, j.o., pierce, whomever...all of this will culminate at that point. and this was WAY before lb got into town. the whole "rebuild" thing was a guise and we all (at least i) fell for it. the trading of unprotected picks, the disregard for cap space, that does not fall withing "rebuild" guidelines.
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4/3/2006  1:06 PM
I think it is a good strategy because they can get a big name with some of these assets - however trading the #1 pick without protection 2 years in a row was a boneheaded mistake. Hindsight is 20/20 though because I dont think anyone thought this roster would perform THIS bad.

Getting under the cap is the least of our problems, its getting the players on the roster to buy into the coach and start playing basketball. Even if we get a star in here, this lockeroom is in trouble and I am not sure it can be fixed without a major overhaul - including some of the senior staff.

Like Isiah said, you dont want to get under the cap - and I agree with him - what would be the point? Who would we sign? We can trade for anyone at this point. The problem is you need expirings or solid chips to trade and this season has damaged everyone on this rosters reputation.
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4/3/2006  1:10 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by EnySpree:

Larry Brown is going to die of old age pretty soon......so Isiah has to continue to move mountains to get Larry the vets that he needs to "play the right way".

Isiah screwed himself.



i had a 15 minute discussion with isiah at a season subscriber q&a last june. everyone was asking him some baby questions then i raise my hand and talk to him about our salary cap and our method of acquiring players. (btw, to this day, the PR guys and marketing guys tell me they never had anybody ask such hard and serious questions before - too funny). i wasn't being a jerk, i was a concerned fan. so in essence, what he told me (after some back and forth dialogue) was that there was no intention of getting under the cap and that franchise players in the league today are traded for, not signed outright. and he's right about that, that's been the M.O. as of late. this has been his plan from day one. that's why dolan is allowing all of this free spending. there is an end goal, and whether that's kg, j.o., pierce, whomever...all of this will culminate at that point. and this was WAY before lb got into town. the whole "rebuild" thing was a guise and we all (at least i) fell for it. the trading of unprotected picks, the disregard for cap space, that does not fall withing "rebuild" guidelines.

Well here's one man's (with limited insight and a long and healthy track record of incorrect predicions) opinion on that:

It will never ever work.

Ever.

I wish Isiah were fired today.

We're in for continued misery as long as he's here and working that ****amamie plan.

How's that for a cheery Monday morning thought?
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4/3/2006  1:41 PM
The Starphuch to end all Starphuch!

Isiah is on a five year mission to go where no GM has ever dared to go before.

The Big Bang Starphuch!
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4/3/2006  4:57 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i had a 15 minute discussion with isiah at a season subscriber q&a last june. everyone was asking him some baby questions then i raise my hand and talk to him about our salary cap and our method of acquiring players. (btw, to this day, the PR guys and marketing guys tell me they never had anybody ask such hard and serious questions before - too funny). i wasn't being a jerk, i was a concerned fan. so in essence, what he told me (after some back and forth dialogue) was that there was no intention of getting under the cap and that franchise players in the league today are traded for, not signed outright. and he's right about that, that's been the M.O. as of late. this has been his plan from day one. that's why dolan is allowing all of this free spending. there is an end goal, and whether that's kg, j.o., pierce, whomever...all of this will culminate at that point. and this was WAY before lb got into town. the whole "rebuild" thing was a guise and we all (at least i) fell for it. the trading of unprotected picks, the disregard for cap space, that does not fall withing "rebuild" guidelines.

Nothing personal but that's crap. If that were the case then why trade away 4 potentially high lottery picks for Marbury and Curry when Marbury's history and contract make him pretty untradeable and Curry's health and uninsurable contract makes him untradeable as well? Why sign 2 big stiffs in Vin Baker and Jerome James when they could have signed younger and more promising players with the MLE that could be included in a big trade? Why burden your roster with severely overpaid and unproductive players who can only be traded in the last year of their contracts but still have multiple years left.

People ridicule the options that you have when you're under the cap and have multiple lottery picks but now we're supposed to buy into a fantasy that a team full of overpriced underachievers and no lottery picks in 3 of the next 5 years has the ability to trade for a franchise player. That's one hell of a plan.
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4/3/2006  5:23 PM
Most of the championship teams aren't built by rebuilding. We've seen that many of the teams who are constantly in the lottery end up with nice young talent and not titles. Its hard to do in today's NBA. This team needed to get young talent and if a deal never happens then at least we have that talent, but really in our market a bonafide All Star performer like KG belongs here. The object of the game is to win a title, not just to have nice young players with potential.

I think that too many fans are caught up in this teams recent failures and seem to think that Isaiah can't fix this team via a trade. He really has collected some tradeable players. We have EXP Contracts, young talent that teams like and some vets who can help a team. No one is saying that individually these players are the most desireable, but as a package there are some intriguing deals that can be made. You may not like it, but its a plan that can work. If no deal emerges, we still have a LOT of young players with more to come, so why is this such a terrible plan?
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4/3/2006  5:24 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:

i had a 15 minute discussion with isiah at a season subscriber q&a last june. everyone was asking him some baby questions then i raise my hand and talk to him about our salary cap and our method of acquiring players. (btw, to this day, the PR guys and marketing guys tell me they never had anybody ask such hard and serious questions before - too funny). i wasn't being a jerk, i was a concerned fan. so in essence, what he told me (after some back and forth dialogue) was that there was no intention of getting under the cap and that franchise players in the league today are traded for, not signed outright. and he's right about that, that's been the M.O. as of late. this has been his plan from day one. that's why dolan is allowing all of this free spending. there is an end goal, and whether that's kg, j.o., pierce, whomever...all of this will culminate at that point. and this was WAY before lb got into town. the whole "rebuild" thing was a guise and we all (at least i) fell for it. the trading of unprotected picks, the disregard for cap space, that does not fall withing "rebuild" guidelines.

Nothing personal but that's crap. If that were the case then why trade away 4 potentially high lottery picks for Marbury and Curry when Marbury's history and contract make him pretty untradeable and Curry's health and uninsurable contract makes him untradeable as well? Why sign 2 big stiffs in Vin Baker and Jerome James when they could have signed younger and more promising players with the MLE that could be included in a big trade? Why burden your roster with severely overpaid and unproductive players who can only be traded in the last year of their contracts but still have multiple years left.

People ridicule the options that you have when you're under the cap and have multiple lottery picks but now we're supposed to buy into a fantasy that a team full of overpriced underachievers and no lottery picks in 3 of the next 5 years has the ability to trade for a franchise player. That's one hell of a plan.

hey, that's HIS plan...not mine. so nothing personal taken. this is what he asked me, in CLASSIC isiah fashion, "do you want to be OVER the cap, or do you want to be UNDER the cap?" he asked me that question 3 times in a row and i kept saying UNDER. and he kept retorting that it wasn't possible and we should be happy to have an owner that likes to spend money on the team. i should've responded "isiah, do you want to be OVER .500 or UNDER .500?"

KG, pierce, j.o., any other "superstar...", there will be one more BIG TIME move made within the next 18 months. and i have no clue who that "superstar" is going to be but it will happen...
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4/3/2006  5:29 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i had a 15 minute discussion with isiah at a season subscriber q&a last june. everyone was asking him some baby questions then i raise my hand and talk to him about our salary cap and our method of acquiring players. (btw, to this day, the PR guys and marketing guys tell me they never had anybody ask such hard and serious questions before - too funny). i wasn't being a jerk, i was a concerned fan. so in essence, what he told me (after some back and forth dialogue) was that there was no intention of getting under the cap and that franchise players in the league today are traded for, not signed outright. and he's right about that, that's been the M.O. as of late. this has been his plan from day one. that's why dolan is allowing all of this free spending. there is an end goal, and whether that's kg, j.o., pierce, whomever...all of this will culminate at that point. and this was WAY before lb got into town. the whole "rebuild" thing was a guise and we all (at least i) fell for it. the trading of unprotected picks, the disregard for cap space, that does not fall withing "rebuild" guidelines.

actually the best wayto get franchise talent is to draft it.
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4/3/2006  10:15 PM
O'Neal/Indy = .486
Garnett/Minny = .425
Pierce/Boston = .411

Isiah inherited a 37 win team, and if he gets really, really lucky... maybe, just maybe... someday he'll land one of those guys and get us back to 37 wins.

Maybe.
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4/3/2006  10:27 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by djsunyc:

i had a 15 minute discussion with isiah at a season subscriber q&a last june. everyone was asking him some baby questions then i raise my hand and talk to him about our salary cap and our method of acquiring players. (btw, to this day, the PR guys and marketing guys tell me they never had anybody ask such hard and serious questions before - too funny). i wasn't being a jerk, i was a concerned fan. so in essence, what he told me (after some back and forth dialogue) was that there was no intention of getting under the cap and that franchise players in the league today are traded for, not signed outright. and he's right about that, that's been the M.O. as of late. this has been his plan from day one. that's why dolan is allowing all of this free spending. there is an end goal, and whether that's kg, j.o., pierce, whomever...all of this will culminate at that point. and this was WAY before lb got into town. the whole "rebuild" thing was a guise and we all (at least i) fell for it. the trading of unprotected picks, the disregard for cap space, that does not fall withing "rebuild" guidelines.

actually the best way to get franchise talent is to draft it.

yup. I was just going to say that.
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4/5/2006  12:27 PM
actually the best way to get franchise talent is to draft it.

yup. I was just going to say that.

No it's Not! That would mean:
1.- You would have to suck more than any one in the league and still have the luck of the draw, then have the luck of picking the right talent (Darko Over Carmelo).
2. - Then wait until the player matures into a great player (not every-one is L.James).
3. - You still have to surround a young player with Veterans that know how to win in this league.
Just ask Detroit. only one of their starting five was drafted by them.
The Best way is very good signings and good trades.

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4/5/2006  12:53 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

O'Neal/Indy = .486
Garnett/Minny = .425
Pierce/Boston = .411

Isiah inherited a 37 win team, and if he gets really, really lucky... maybe, just maybe... someday he'll land one of those guys and get us back to 37 wins.

Maybe.

blueseats, that post was very simple but brilliant. These days, having a superstar doesn't guarantee jack squat. It's the collection of players put together, and if we just get rid of our really good assets, and combine KG with our crumby assets, or if it's just KG and Steph, chances are, we'll be going nowhere soon, and may be stuck in medicraty at best. That's why I'm against this whole getting KG or JO stuff.
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