Posted by djsunyc:

i buy this philosophy, that's why i didn't care about rotations, lineup shuffles, etc. the only knock i have against lb is airing sh t out in the media. outside of that, he knows what he's doing. he didn't forget 30 years in one summer. it looks f'ed up now but we'll be better off b/c of it. i'm not gonna lie bip, you opened my eyes to this early this season and i've been noticing it. and i think that's what's going on. we're going to see the fruits of this next year and the year after.

my whole counter argument to all those that don't like LB is that why have some guys bought in and some didn't? b/c they want to. it's on the players, coach is doing his job in making them better and those that don't buy in will be gone.

Marbury gets traded, Francis gets traded, or Nate "pushes" Brown down a flight of stairs at MSG while Marbury looks on with a towel on his head, Isiah has to attend sexual harrassment courses so he can't make anymore deals, or Dolan says enough "I'm rich but I ain't this rich" and sells the team. Either way keep hope alive. I am just tired of this drama.

The inconsistent time for the rookies. Our rookies have had to deal with more adversity than any rookies in the league.

There'd be plenty of adversity even if the players who play hard (not just the rookies) were given minutes according to their effort. There's always gonna be all the adversity you could ever need if you're on a losing lottery team in New York City

Posted by Bonn1997:

The inconsistent time for the rookies. Our rookies have had to deal with more adversity than any rookies in the league.

There'd be plenty of adversity even if the players who play hard (not just the rookies) were given minutes according to their effort. There's always gonna be all the adversity you could ever need if you're on a losing lottery team in New York City

Bonn: I agree with you but......without making these guys earn their minutes they would have been shoved on the court and lost plenty of games. The vets would have continued to complain about the same stuff. REcord would have been the same and they would have gotten minutes but........

Two Scenarios

Scenario 1: 35 minutes a night. When things didn't go their way and they lost the same amount they would have been responsible for the losing. Can you say shattered confidence.

Scenario 2: Current situation. Now these guys are placed on the court when the game is all but sealed with the sole job of showing vets how to give real effort.

Net Result: Scenario A has a hopeless band of rookies taking NBA beatings every night learning only how to lose. Thus ending up like every other rebuilding team that never goes anywhere. The only lesson they would have learned is that waht they do is not working. Lesson number 2 is that as long as they give some effort and try to do the things coach says their minutes will be guaranteed. Why? Not because they are are doing things to win games but because they are young guys and they just happened to be on a losing team and that's where young guys play. Woo Hoo. Standards are lower becasue minutes are guaranteed.

Net Result:Scenario B. Rookies not soley responsible for losses. Instead an identity is being created. No matter how far back we fall, no matter what the score if we keep clawing we can get back into this. Number 2: If I slack for one minute, or do opposite the coach one time I am benched for a week. Therefore I can never slack!!! My standards must be unmatched for me to avoid giving minutes to Mo Taylor and Jerome James. I can't simply outplay them to get minutes. I must destroy them to get my minutes. Just good enough is not good enough. I must play winning basketball 100% of the time or I don't play. Now instead of learning losing I only know one thing. No matter what the score, do what I'm told and play my arse off. Lastly, a contrast between me and the vets is clearly seen. It's not a myth. It's clear to all. Maybe some vets will hop on and be able to lead us. IF not, who cares I'm learning that I don't need them. I'm not taking a beating every night instead I'm busting my tail to clean up their messes.

We must continue to raise standards. Those that have not yet been destoryed by horrible NBA standards must be forced to accept even higher standards. Standards that may have you questioning why you are being benched. But never out loud!!!!!!!!!

[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-27-2006 8:15 PM]

accountability... it's been missing the past several years... LB's trying to bring its awareness back to MSG... SAS always said that LB has to break down a team before he can lift it back up again... maybe there's a method to all his madness in some of your eyes? why not give a HOF coach a benefit of the doubt til he can at least get some players who he's looking to work in his system? it's up to him & Isiah to get on the same page this offseason & cut some of the fat off this team that won't work w/what LB's trying to accomplish... then & only then can we really judge whether or not he was the right choice to lead this team back to the winning tradition of the glory days.

CAN YOU DDIIIIIGGG IIIIITTTT!!!

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by Bonn1997:

The inconsistent time for the rookies. Our rookies have had to deal with more adversity than any rookies in the league.

There'd be plenty of adversity even if the players who play hard (not just the rookies) were given minutes according to their effort. There's always gonna be all the adversity you could ever need if you're on a losing lottery team in New York City

Bonn: I agree with you but......without making these guys earn their minutes they would have been shoved on the court and lost plenty of games. [Edited by - bippity10 on 03-27-2006 8:15 PM]

We both agree 100% that the young players have to earn their minutes (although I'd add that the veterans should have to too). The problem is that as soon you show you've earned the minutes Larry stops playing you. I don't think you'll ever get the desired result by punishing what you want from players (benching hard workers) and rewarding what you don't want (laziness). I suspect this argument's going nowhere, though.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 03-27-2006 8:59 PM]

When Herb didn't play Butler or Ariza down the stretch last year and everyone found out that it was because Isiah told him that the young guys need to earn their minutes everyone on this board went nuts. Now Brown's says the same thing and it is golden. oh well...