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3/24/2006  10:55 AM
March 24, 2006 -- JAMES Dolan, Steve Mills, Isiah Thomas, Larry Brown, Stephon Marbury and every other overpaid underachiever (no need to get up, we know who you are) with much to say and naught to show for it only have 15 games left to do their best to make the Knicks' season more worthless than the team's 19-48 record attests.

How can they not see what we see?

Does Charles Dolan's Prada, er, prodigal son continue to believe (come on, honest Injun) Thomas has the foggiest notion how to construct a cohesive, competitive, captivating unit? Considering the disjointed jumble of players and the negligent spending, surely Dolan must be losing faith in Thomas' decision making. Surely there must be someone on or off the payroll he trusts to divulge truths he's incapable of fathoming on his own.

In a warped way I actually feel sorry for Dolan; my mother always taught me not to make fun of the afflicted and I think it's about time I heed her advice. Why wouldn't he expect Thomas, one of the NBA's all-time greatest guards, at least to know something about stocking the backcourt with compatible components?

Clearly, nothing is further from reality. The Pacers understood that early on in their three-year relationship with Thomas. Management listened to precious little Thomas had to say when appraising guards. It probably had something to do with him shrugging off any promise in Mike James during a summer league tryout. And insisting expiring talent Tim Hardaway could add something to their mix. And all but giving up on Jamaal Tinsley during his second season.

By the end of the year three, Thomas had stopped talking to Tinsley altogether. When Larry Bird saw that for himself during a summer workout session conducted by Chuck Person at Conseco Field House, he decided a coaching change had to be made.

Is Dolan really so obtuse he can't comprehend changes must be made to the Knicks, starting at the top? How long can you allow dockyards of good money to be misspent on ghastly investments?

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Jalen Rose and Steve Francis, Thomas' last two acquisitions, earn $29.4 million between them and are G-ed up for $16.9M (next season) and 48.6M (next three) respectively. Wednesday night, they combined for 21 minutes, three rebounds (all by Rose), two assists, three turnovers (all by Francis) and five points on 2-for-4 shooting against Phony Orlando. Neither starter got a scintilla of daylight over the final three stanzas of the Knicks' 111-87 demolition.

What's with the short lease approach? If effort is supposed to equal minutes, how come Eddy Curry ever lifts off the bench in view of how often he's posterized in the paint?

Am I mistaken, or did Brown swear he signed off on both of Thomas' native imports? Then how come he's squawking about the team's excess amount of guards? How come he's just learning Francis may need the ball on the break? (I know, what break?!) How come he's harping on the necessity for a rebounding power forward or a center who can play defense and block shots? Gee, you mean to say he preferred Reggie Evans or Theo Ratliff (and Darius Miles) over Francis but was overruled?

I wonder (not really), was there ever a serious effort to obtain the eminently available Chris Wilcox (14 points, 7.2 boards, 62 percent FG shooting since joining the Sonics for Vladimir Radmanovic) from my Paper Clips?

If Brown doesn't have enough minutes to distribute among so many deserving (gag) guards why was Jamal Crawford subtracted from the original agreement of Penny Hardaway and Trevor Ariza for Francis and Pat Garrity?

(Nate Robinson would never play for me again after his dirty and dumb push of already hacked Andre Barrett that is costing Channing Frye the rest of the season. How about lagging back and allow your shot-blocker - four at the time - to handle business? Maybe it's due to his miniature size that Robinson has such a cinderblock on his shoulder, but the fact is, he's dangerously reckless to friends and foe alike, and shows signs of Danny Fortson-itis as a result of his uncontrolled hostility at practices, games or in the shower.)

"Most of the time I don't understand what Larry is doing," said a veteran Knicks employee. Don't know why; seems obvious through my scope.

When your team is playing as if Thomas is coaching, when fans are yearning for the days of Dancing Harry, it's apparent Larry Legible is trying to leverage his way into a buyout of the final years of his $11M per contract.

Either that or Brown is angling to get Thomas fired.

If you fire Thomas first, it says here, you're letting Brown off the hook. That would be criminal. Obviously, you cannot win over the long haul without good players. Nevertheless, many coaches have lost with good players. As mentioned in this space once or twice, the Knicks aren't nearly as bad as Brown has made them. Find as many faults as you want with the roster, the Knicks should be a lot closer to mediocre than morbid.

What everyone fails to understand, excepting Pistons owner Bill Davidson, of course, is that wherever Brown coaches he must be the star of the team; Allen Iverson has been the only one to overcome that - barely - following countless skirmishes and scars.

I say, you can't disinfect Thomas' room alone, or Brown's room, or Mills' room, you've got to delouse the whole house.

This just in: Dolan has given a vote of confidence to Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco.
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3/24/2006  11:14 AM
Vecsey dead on.

throwing 10 mill at Brown brought out the harlot.

Isiah = overrated and in over his head...and I see Pete hates Nate too.
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3/24/2006  12:14 PM
nate pushing barret was reckless, it cost frye the remainder of the season and thank god it wasn't worse than a sprain. Really a idiotic reckless move by nate...
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3/24/2006  12:22 PM
Posted by tkf:

nate pushing barret was reckless, it cost frye the remainder of the season and thank god it wasn't worse than a sprain. Really a idiotic reckless move by nate...

nate didnt push barret, he tried to steal the ball, and knocked it out of barrets hands, then barret tried to get the ball back, but in doing so tripped cuase he was running so fast. well thats what I saw after watching over and over again.

anyway I agree with what vescey said for the record, but its not going to happen, dolan is too stupid.

[Edited by - slimpack on 03-24-2006 12:23 PM]
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3/24/2006  12:31 PM
I say, you can't disinfect Thomas' room alone, or Brown's room, or Mills' room, you've got to delouse the whole house.
I agree but wouldn't stop there; I'd include Dolan and Cablevision. We need ownership that cares about winning, not ownership that runs the team like a corporation seeking instant profits.
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3/24/2006  12:31 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by tkf:

nate pushing barret was reckless, it cost frye the remainder of the season and thank god it wasn't worse than a sprain. Really a idiotic reckless move by nate...

nate didnt push barret, he tried to steal the ball, and knocked it out of barrets hands, then barret tried to get the ball back, but in doing so tripped cuase he was running so fast. well thats what I saw after watching over and over again.

anyway I agree with what vescey said for the record, but its not going to happen, dolan is too stupid.

[Edited by - slimpack on 03-24-2006 12:23 PM]

he pushed him.

https://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=28D3KS88T8UXA1UH2I25R0L5FZ
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3/24/2006  12:37 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by tkf:

nate pushing barret was reckless, it cost frye the remainder of the season and thank god it wasn't worse than a sprain. Really a idiotic reckless move by nate...

nate didnt push barret, he tried to steal the ball, and knocked it out of barrets hands, then barret tried to get the ball back, but in doing so tripped cuase he was running so fast. well thats what I saw after watching over and over again.

anyway I agree with what vescey said for the record, but its not going to happen, dolan is too stupid.

[Edited by - slimpack on 03-24-2006 12:23 PM]

he pushed him.

https://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=28D3KS88T8UXA1UH2I25R0L5FZ
Wow; thanks for the link. That really was stupid by Nate. (Players do push each other like that all the time without anything bad happening, though. I assume Nate feels awful about it.)

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3/24/2006  12:38 PM
The New York Knicks are making Vescey look good. And he is pushing the Knicks further and further up the creek.

Man up.
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3/24/2006  12:58 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by tkf:

nate pushing barret was reckless, it cost frye the remainder of the season and thank god it wasn't worse than a sprain. Really a idiotic reckless move by nate...

nate didnt push barret, he tried to steal the ball, and knocked it out of barrets hands, then barret tried to get the ball back, but in doing so tripped cuase he was running so fast. well thats what I saw after watching over and over again.

anyway I agree with what vescey said for the record, but its not going to happen, dolan is too stupid.

[Edited by - slimpack on 03-24-2006 12:23 PM]

he pushed him.

https://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=28D3KS88T8UXA1UH2I25R0L5FZ

okay maybe Ive gone insane, but I still dont think nate pushed him, I think nate swiped for the ball, and then put his hand on the back of barret and then barrett fell while nates hand was on his back. even though theres a point in that clip where clyde and al both agree he was pushed when I look at the film that they are looking at when they say that, it still looks like nates hand is just on barrets back when he falls. I think it was the force from nate's swipe on the ball that caused barret to fall. oh well, I guess Im the one who's wrong.





[Edited by - slimpack on 03-24-2006 1:10 PM]
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3/24/2006  1:20 PM
I think there was a second pusher on the grassy knoll.
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3/24/2006  2:50 PM
Either that or Brown is angling to get Thomas fired.

If you fire Thomas first, it says here, you're letting Brown off the hook. That would be criminal. Obviously, you cannot win over the long haul without good players. Nevertheless, many coaches have lost with good players. As mentioned in this space once or twice, the Knicks aren't nearly as bad as Brown has made them. Find as many faults as you want with the roster, the Knicks should be a lot closer to mediocre than morbid.

What everyone fails to understand, excepting Pistons owner Bill Davidson, of course, is that wherever Brown coaches he must be the star of the team; Allen Iverson has been the only one to overcome that - barely - following countless skirmishes and scars.

Zackly. Everybody knows the players aren't that good or smart. Everyone knows that Isiah is a con man (Except Dolan). But LB has done the worst coaching job since Brian Mahoney coached St. Johns. It cannot be denied.

oohah

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3/24/2006  3:15 PM
Nate and Barrett were going at it all game. Something like that was coming
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3/24/2006  5:32 PM
i respect vesey alot. i remember back in 2000 when i was at 5 star basketball camp and he came and told us about the ewing trade before it happened.

but, i dont think anyone can really put a finger on this season. there is just so many ways to spread the blame.

i just take it as a team that never came together, and never relaxed and played basketball with intense defense and crisp ball movement like brown wants.

every article about the state of the knicks, target a different person each day. rediculous!!!
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3/24/2006  6:12 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by tkf:

nate pushing barret was reckless, it cost frye the remainder of the season and thank god it wasn't worse than a sprain. Really a idiotic reckless move by nate...

nate didnt push barret, he tried to steal the ball, and knocked it out of barrets hands, then barret tried to get the ball back, but in doing so tripped cuase he was running so fast. well thats what I saw after watching over and over again.

anyway I agree with what vescey said for the record, but its not going to happen, dolan is too stupid.

[Edited by - slimpack on 03-24-2006 12:23 PM]

he pushed him.

https://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=28D3KS88T8UXA1UH2I25R0L5FZ

okay maybe Ive gone insane, but I still dont think nate pushed him, I think nate swiped for the ball, and then put his hand on the back of barret and then barrett fell while nates hand was on his back. even though theres a point in that clip where clyde and al both agree he was pushed when I look at the film that they are looking at when they say that, it still looks like nates hand is just on barrets back when he falls. I think it was the force from nate's swipe on the ball that caused barret to fall. oh well, I guess Im the one who's wrong.





[Edited by - slimpack on 03-24-2006 1:10 PM]


Regardless- it was a lazy play by Nate- he had Frye guarding the basket.0.
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3/25/2006  1:53 AM
vescey is a moron! he acts like nate meant to do it. you guys don't really think nate does'nt feel like sh!t about this do you? nate made a play on the ball, why is it such a big deal if he pushed andre or not? i'll tell you why, because frye got hurt. if andre would have fallen on the floor w/noone in the way, foul on nate robinson, no harm done! channing gets hurt, nate robinson is a maniac that's mad 'cause he's short.<--that's what he said in a nutshell!
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3/25/2006  11:56 PM
Posted by oohah:
Either that or Brown is angling to get Thomas fired.

If you fire Thomas first, it says here, you're letting Brown off the hook. That would be criminal. Obviously, you cannot win over the long haul without good players. Nevertheless, many coaches have lost with good players. As mentioned in this space once or twice, the Knicks aren't nearly as bad as Brown has made them. Find as many faults as you want with the roster, the Knicks should be a lot closer to mediocre than morbid.

What everyone fails to understand, excepting Pistons owner Bill Davidson, of course, is that wherever Brown coaches he must be the star of the team; Allen Iverson has been the only one to overcome that - barely - following countless skirmishes and scars.

Zackly. Everybody knows the players aren't that good or smart. Everyone knows that Isiah is a con man (Except Dolan). But LB has done the worst coaching job since Brian Mahoney coached St. Johns. It cannot be denied.

oohah

i wonder if anyone has mentioned if larry lame treats his fans to same performance for next year may end up costing zeke his job

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