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djsunyc
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3/22/2006  10:17 AM
ARIZA: BROWN FORCED ISIAH TO TRADE ME
By MARC BERMAN

March 22, 2006 -- Trevor Ariza, the high-flying swingman whom Isiah Thomas stole in the second round in 2004, believes the Knick president did not want to trade him to Orlando - but had to, to please coach Larry Brown.

Ariza faces Brown's Knicks tonight in Orlando - playing against his former team for the first time since getting shipped to the Magic along with Penny Hardaway's expiring contract in the Steve Francis trade one month ago.

"I don't think Isiah wanted to see me go at all," Ariza told The Post yesterday. "That's the business."

That's the business of dealing with Brown, who warred with Ariza during their brief time together, calling him "delusional," and not playing him in 16 of 52 games.

One of Ariza's buddies told The Post that Brown rattled Ariza's psyche by "forbidding" him from shooting jump shots.

"Forbidding you to shoot would hurt the confidence of a 30-year-old, let alone a 20-year-old," Ariza's buddy said.

Ariza did not deny Brown's order, saying "Coach Brown has a different style of basketball. ... I'd like to have more freedom."

Ariza can't wait for tonight now that Orlando coach Brian Hill is giving him minutes.

"I'm definitely anxious," Ariza said. "When I wasn't playing, people in New York forgot about me, forgot what I was capable of doing. They didn't know my game has grown and that I still can do it. I know what I can do. All I need is the time. I'm confident in myself, and I wasn't given the opportunity to play."

After the trade, Ariza said, Thomas thanked him for not firing back at Brown.

"He thanked me for being professional about the situation," Ariza said.

If Brown leaves this summer, perhaps Thomas can re-sign Ariza, a free agent.

Still, Orlando assistant GM Otis Smith said the Magic still have interest.

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Brown, Thomas and assistant coach Mark Aguirre flew yesterday morning on James Dolan's charter to the funeral of former DePaul coach Ray Meyer in Chicago.

Brown made it back for last night's game. Aguirre, the former DePaul legend, stayed in Chicago and will join the Knicks today in Orlando.
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3/22/2006  10:20 AM
There is a lot we don't know.

I wish the kid well! I like him.
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3/22/2006  10:24 AM
man, I hope brown knows what he's doing.
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3/22/2006  10:25 AM
I wish trevor well too..

But looking at his form and shot, I would forbid him to shoot jumpers also....

shoot and practice over the summer, show me you have put the work in, and then you can shoot them in the game... that is what we call, earning it..
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3/22/2006  10:26 AM
Posted by Nalod:

There is a lot we don't know.

ALOT. i hope somebody on the team or with the organization writes a book about this season.
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3/22/2006  10:33 AM
"Coach Brown has a different style of basketball. ... I'd like to have more freedom."

i'd advise him to learn how to shoot a jumpshot before he looks to have more freedom... until then, he needs to keep doing what he does best, & that's to focus on getting steals, running the floor, rebounding & being a presence on the defensive end.
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3/22/2006  10:40 AM
Posted by TMS:
"Coach Brown has a different style of basketball. ... I'd like to have more freedom."

i'd advise him to learn how to shoot a jumpshot before he looks to have more freedom... until then, he needs to keep doing what he does best, & that's to focus on getting steals, running the floor, rebounding & being a presence on the defensive end.

and dribble with his head up....don't forget to be free you have to dribble with your head up.
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3/22/2006  10:44 AM
We all know reezy is raw, but is Brown responsible for forcing Trevor to dribble the ball with his head down too?

What can Brown do for you?
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3/22/2006  10:45 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by TMS:
"Coach Brown has a different style of basketball. ... I'd like to have more freedom."

i'd advise him to learn how to shoot a jumpshot before he looks to have more freedom... until then, he needs to keep doing what he does best, & that's to focus on getting steals, running the floor, rebounding & being a presence on the defensive end.

and dribble with his head up....don't forget to be free you have to dribble with your head up.

We were thinking the same thing...
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3/22/2006  10:48 AM
Ariza had little fundamentals to begin with showed zero improvement. not a smart decision to debate with a fundamentalist about your role
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3/22/2006  12:41 PM
here is the thing that irks me and this is on Brown:

We saw Ariza provide a spark off the bench last year- he came in and had an impact.

Now, we're talking about him not improving his fundamentals, but we didn't even see Ariza do the stuff he did last year. Did he forget how to defend, rebound, get steals? Maybe Brown telling him no outside shots and calling him delusional caused him to regress. That is not good leadership.
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3/22/2006  12:51 PM
I wish trevor well too..

But looking at his form and shot, I would forbid him to shoot jumpers also....

shoot and practice over the summer, show me you have put the work in, and then you can shoot them in the game... that is what we call, earning it..

The you would be making a mistake. Anyway, Brown has gotten to more players confidence than Ariza: Marbury, Crawford, Frye have had their confidence stepped on, and it is a testament to David Lee's and Nate Robinson's fortitude that they manage to keep their head up through all the mind games.

oohah

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3/22/2006  1:08 PM
Larry does not want mentally soft players on his team.

Big money should not be a prerequisite to not be yelled at. Its called coaching.

We got a big money coach to get in the grill of big money players and look at them whining.

Kinda refreshing after the last few years.

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3/22/2006  2:59 PM
Posted by oohah:
I wish trevor well too..

But looking at his form and shot, I would forbid him to shoot jumpers also....

shoot and practice over the summer, show me you have put the work in, and then you can shoot them in the game... that is what we call, earning it..

The you would be making a mistake. Anyway, Brown has gotten to more players confidence than Ariza: Marbury, Crawford, Frye have had their confidence stepped on, and it is a testament to David Lee's and Nate Robinson's fortitude that they manage to keep their head up through all the mind games.oohah


that is called sifting the weeds from the wheat..... Only the strong survive, don't you want mentally tough players?
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3/22/2006  3:04 PM
that is called sifting the weeds from the wheat..... Only the strong survive, don't you want mentally tough players?

So you really think that Brown's ill treatment of his players is a plan to "eliminate the weak"? You're searching for justification, trying to make it right. Isn't it more likely that Brown is an ass-hole?

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3/22/2006  3:06 PM
Posted by oohah:
that is called sifting the weeds from the wheat..... Only the strong survive, don't you want mentally tough players?

So you really think that Brown's ill treatment of his players is a plan to "eliminate the weak"? You're searching for justification, trying to make it right. Isn't it more likely that Brown is an ass-hole?

oohah

He is an ass-hole. He's an ass-hole that gets results wherever he goes. I hate saying "next season", but just wait until next season...
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3/22/2006  3:22 PM
Posted by oohah:
that is called sifting the weeds from the wheat..... Only the strong survive, don't you want mentally tough players?

So you really think that Brown's ill treatment of his players is a plan to "eliminate the weak"? You're searching for justification, trying to make it right. Isn't it more likely that Brown is an ass-hole?

oohah

Is he an ass-hole or are those players just a bunch of pampered mental midgets who would rather stick with what they know, something that has never resulted in any tangible team success, than listen to a coach who has had success everywhere that he's been?
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by oohah:
that is called sifting the weeds from the wheat..... Only the strong survive, don't you want mentally tough players?

So you really think that Brown's ill treatment of his players is a plan to "eliminate the weak"? You're searching for justification, trying to make it right. Isn't it more likely that Brown is an ass-hole?

oohah

Is he an ass-hole or are those players just a bunch of pampered mental midgets who would rather stick with what they know, something that has never resulted in any tangible team success, than listen to a coach who has had success everywhere that he's been?


excellent post isles, it is funny, how people seem to want to blame everyone and everything but the players. Now brown is an ass hole. well let me ask you this, if your life was on the line, would you rather have the Ass hole doctor that is known for saving lives or the nice doctor who is not as skilled and loses most of his patients. I am sorry, but when it comes to getting it done, get me the *******!!!
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3/22/2006  4:10 PM
He is an ass-hole. He's an ass-hole that gets results wherever he goes. I hate saying "next season", but just wait until next season...

If he comes back next season. Anyway, I am sure the knicks will be better next season, because it would be difficult for them to be worse than this season. And if LB get the Knicks to be at least respectable next year, like he should have done this year, everybody will be falling all over themselves talking about what genius he is, "buying in to his sytem", etc. If he does a great job and somehow gets this squad over .500, anyone who questions him around here will be burnt at the stake.

I'm sorry, but this year counts too.

The only way this team will be a great success, a real winning team, with or without Brown is with a real honest-to-god star.
Is he an ass-hole or are those players just a bunch of pampered mental midgets who would rather stick with what they know, something that has never resulted in any tangible team success, than listen to a coach who has had success everywhere that he's been?

I've never claimed that this team was good, but they should be respectable. All this stuff about listening to the coach is nonsense. LB: "Hey fast guy--play slow!", "Hey you! Start tonight, DNP tomorrow!" Geez why are they having problems?

On a more interesting front, it seems that you are a Brown supporter. Does that mean that you think it was a good thing to sign him? Wouldn't that mean that Isiah Thomas did something right? Try side-stepping that one.
excellent post isles, it is funny, how people seem to want to blame everyone and everything but the players. Now brown is an ass hole. well let me ask you this, if your life was on the line, would you rather have the Ass hole doctor that is known for saving lives or the nice doctor who is not as skilled and loses most of his patients. I am sorry, but when it comes to getting it done, get me the *******!!!

Tortured comparison. You are comparing Brown's history to life-saving but you aren't couting this season, this Knicks team is dead. Good job Doc Brown!

What do you mean "Now Brown is an ass-hole"? Have you been watching this man through his career? There are several recently posted articles in this forum that detail his history of ass-holery. Even to the best of his soldiers like Reggie Miller.

A couple of weeks ago during the losing streak you were questioning his moves like the rest of us. Now that the Knicks won a couple of games he can't be questioned again.

All hail Brown!

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3/22/2006  4:34 PM
Posted by oohah:
I've never claimed that this team was good, but they should be respectable.

Why? They all have losing records, some have really losing records, why should here be different? Which one of these guys has come from a successful spot and failed to reproduce that under LB's impossible system?
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