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3/17/2006  5:13 PM
I think it's safe to say that unless its a package for a KG --I mean top tier 1, no adding Lee to any package. Lee is an untouchable, a player who has more upisde than some think[including me at many points] and should be counted squarely as a player for the teams new core.

Trading for so-called extra talent--guys like Al Harrington--Odom--thats not what we need. Just build a team and let it ride and get better.
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3/17/2006  5:15 PM
Thank you.

I totally agree.

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3/17/2006  5:26 PM
give me Harrington for Marbury, put him next to Frye in the frontcourt w/Lee backing up both spots... that's a nice young core frontcourt to play alongside Curry.
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3/17/2006  5:30 PM
Posted by TMS:

give me Harrington for Marbury, put him next to Frye in the frontcourt w/Lee backing up both spots... that's a nice young core frontcourt to play alongside Curry.

How do you do that? Do you give Harrington insane money like Stephs's? That's not a good idea, right? How else do you structure it?
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Posted by Marv:
Posted by TMS:

give me Harrington for Marbury, put him next to Frye in the frontcourt w/Lee backing up both spots... that's a nice young core frontcourt to play alongside Curry.

How do you do that? Do you give Harrington insane money like Stephs's? That's not a good idea, right? How else do you structure it?

I think the Hawks will be under the cap so they don't have to match dollar for dollar. We can trade them Marbury and give AL a smaller deal (not that I think that would ever happen, but that's how it could go down).
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Posted by Marv:
Posted by TMS:

give me Harrington for Marbury, put him next to Frye in the frontcourt w/Lee backing up both spots... that's a nice young core frontcourt to play alongside Curry.

How do you do that? Do you give Harrington insane money like Stephs's? That's not a good idea, right? How else do you structure it?

Atlanta can take salary.
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How does a non starter be considered a "core" player?
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3/17/2006  5:57 PM
Posted by holfresh:


How does a non starter be considered a "core" player?

I now consider him a core component of the future of this franchise.
He epitomizes what I want in a NY Knick player. I'm not saying he's Tim Duncan, I'm saying he is an integral part of the TEAM.
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3/17/2006  6:08 PM
Posted by holfresh:


How does a non starter be considered a "core" player?

like the microwave vinnie johnson?
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3/17/2006  6:38 PM
Core refers to two or three players that are intergal part of a system...Vinnie Johson was the microwave for his instant offense off the bench...What will Lee provide to this team that will be considered integral?...Vinnie, Isiah, and Dumars were the core players of that team with others being the interchangable parts...

How does Lee figure into the core player question?
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3/17/2006  6:51 PM
Posted by holfresh:

Core refers to two or three players that are intergal part of a system...Vinnie Johson was the microwave for his instant offense off the bench...What will Lee provide to this team that will be considered integral?...Vinnie, Isiah, and Dumars were the core players of that team with others being the interchangable parts...

How does Lee figure into the core player question?


Since when does Core only refer to 2 or 3 players? It constantly seems like you are watching and talking basketball in a completely different universe then the rest of the world. Core could be a bunch of guys, usually it means someone you don't to trade becuase they bring things to your basketball team that no one else does. I don't see where that limits it to 2 or 3 people.
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:

Core refers to two or three players that are intergal part of a system...Vinnie Johson was the microwave for his instant offense off the bench...What will Lee provide to this team that will be considered integral?...Vinnie, Isiah, and Dumars were the core players of that team with others being the interchangable parts...

How does Lee figure into the core player question?


Since when does Core only refer to 2 or 3 players? It constantly seems like you are watching and talking basketball in a completely different universe then the rest of the world. Core could be a bunch of guys, usually it means someone you don't to trade becuase they bring things to your basketball team that no one else does. I don't see where that limits it to 2 or 3 people.



I tend to look at it as being honest with myself and with others...Well if you go by the definition of core meaning the central or innermost, then the starting five wouldn't be considered core by definition...I too like Lee, I would love him to be part of the future of this team...I would love him to develop into a core player...But he cannot be considered core player because we will that on him....He has to prove it on a nightly basis....He hasn't done nothing close to that yet...U know you are right, I may be in a different universe....
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3/17/2006  7:13 PM
Sorry guys, you got your Bad Boys core all wrong. Vinnie Johnson was important, but the core was Thomas, Dumars, Laimbeer, and Rodman.

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Posted by oohah:

Sorry guys, you got your Bad Boys core all wrong. Vinnie Johnson was important, but the core was Thomas, Dumars, Laimbeer, and Rodman.

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I can see that.....but I'm thinking interchangable part....They had so many guys..James Edwards was big coming off the bench with big baskets...I'm not sure if the lose one of those two, Rodman or Laimbeer thy still don't win it...
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3/17/2006  7:23 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I think it's safe to say that unless its a package for a KG --I mean top tier 1, no adding Lee to any package. Lee is an untouchable, a player who has more upisde than some think[including me at many points] and should be counted squarely as a player for the teams new core.

Trading for so-called extra talent--guys like Al Harrington--Odom--thats not what we need. Just build a team and let it ride and get better.

So you agree with Thomas by not including Lee in the Curry deal and replacing him with 1st round picks? I am not trying to be wise guy. I haven't had a chance to watch much of the KNick games this season because of my travel schedule. Has Lee proven that he was worth the trouble?
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3/17/2006  7:27 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I think it's safe to say that unless its a package for a KG --I mean top tier 1, no adding Lee to any package. Lee is an untouchable, a player who has more upisde than some think[including me at many points] and should be counted squarely as a player for the teams new core.

Trading for so-called extra talent--guys like Al Harrington--Odom--thats not what we need. Just build a team and let it ride and get better.



You will be insane if you won't do a Harrington for Lee trade with money being equal...
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3/17/2006  7:28 PM
I can see that.....but I'm thinking interchangable part....They had so many guys..James Edwards was big coming off the bench with big baskets...I'm not sure if the lose one of those two, Rodman or Laimbeer thy still don't win it...

James Edwards was very good...that fallaway jumper he had was nasty, noone could block it! And don't forget Salley.

Interesting thing about the pistons is that Dumars rebuilt the current Pistons into a very similar squad to the Bad Boys, without commiting career-threatening fouls to the other team. The Pistons are the only ensemble-style teams to win a championship in the past 20 years.

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Posted by oohah:
I can see that.....but I'm thinking interchangable part....They had so many guys..James Edwards was big coming off the bench with big baskets...I'm not sure if the lose one of those two, Rodman or Laimbeer thy still don't win it...

James Edwards was very good...that fallaway jumper he had was nasty, noone could block it! And don't forget Salley.

Interesting thing about the pistons is that Dumars rebuilt the current Pistons into a very similar squad to the Bad Boys, without commiting career-threatening fouls to the other team. The Pistons are the only ensemble-style teams to win a championship in the past 20 years.

oohah



Salley was good for at least one nasty power throw down per game that a 6-11,200 pound frame could muster.....Yeah that is amazing the job Dumars has done in the same mold as the old team...This new team is just missing a microwave type guy...We should send the Craw for sentimental reasons...
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3/17/2006  7:33 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by holfresh:


How does a non starter be considered a "core" player?

I now consider him a core component of the future of this franchise.
He epitomizes what I want in a NY Knick player. I'm not saying he's Tim Duncan, I'm saying he is an integral part of the TEAM.

agreed... i been saying the same for a while now... Lee is a player that has a big future here as part of that TEAM if they allow him to blossom here & don't trade him away.
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Posted by oohah:

Sorry guys, you got your Bad Boys core all wrong. Vinnie Johnson was important, but the core was Thomas, Dumars, Laimbeer, and Rodman.

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