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VDesai
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3/15/2006  10:13 AM
It's not like Tim Thomas didn't have some very good stretches for the Knicks either. He's still Fugazy.
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3/15/2006  10:55 AM
Posted by VDesai:

It's not like Tim Thomas didn't have some very good stretches for the Knicks either. He's still Fugazy.

You wasting your breath, its Marbury fault. It was Marbury fault when TT was on the Knicks, it was Marbury's fault that he failed in Chicago, it was Marbury's fault that the guy failed with the Bucks, oh yeah that crafty Marbury even mastermind his failure in Philly, take that Larry, Starbury was getting at you even back then.
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3/15/2006  11:02 AM
Here you go. Straight from Penny Hardaways mouth.
http://justbball.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32329
A copy of the article is right there.

Hardaway: Old Suns Team Didn't Buy Into D'Antoni's System
PHOENIX - Penny Hardaway and Stephon Marbury departed Phoenix 13 months ago when they were traded to the Knicks. They returned to America West Arena last night to find a vastly different Suns team that leads the NBA with 109 points per game and now ranks as a legitimate title contender with its fast-paced style.

Asked last night if he's shocked by the turnaround, Hardaway said Suns coach Mike D'Antoni wasn't able to sell his European-style offense to his players last season, but that changed when Phoenix added point guard Steve Nash and small forward Quentin Richardson as free agents, using the salary-cap space created by the Marbury trade.

"Coach D'Antoni is a great coach," Hardaway said. "He tried to have us buy into this system when we were here, and we really didn't. There was so much turmoil going on. Steve Nash and Quentin Richardson came in and had the type of game Coach wanted. That's up and down, push the ball, kick it ahead and it doesn't matter who shoots or who scores ... We had enough on the team to get it done, but we just didn't buy into the system."

Hardaway was upset in Phoenix because his playing time was reduced to make way for younger players. Marbury was in the middle of the turmoil that enveloped the Suns.

"It was like guys talking behind each other's backs, guys being selfish, everybody was trying to get their own," Hardaway said. "That leads to trades, and that broke the team up. It doesn't seem like they have any of that going on right now."


Stephon Marbury is supposed to be the leader of that team and he can't even buy into the coaches system. If your leader does, the rest of the team will follow. I think the following quote from Penny is telling... "push the ball, kick it ahead and it doesn't matter who shoots or who scores ... We had enough on the team to get it done, but we just didn't buy into the system." It starts with your star and your Pg and if he doesn't buy in then the rest of the team wont... Sounds alot like the situation we have here now.



[Edited by - nyk4ever on 03-15-2006 11:06 AM]
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3/15/2006  12:19 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Goes to show you great of an offensive system that D'Antoni runs. Anyone can be put into that starting lineup and score and win on that team. Boy, Stephon Marbury couldn't buy into that system?

Makes alot of sense...Steph couldn't buy into a run and gun system....

Why do you think they shipped him out? Look at the quotes from him and Penny Hardaway after they left. Hardaway was extremely against the new system, as was Steph. Might not make sense to you but thats not surprising.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 03-15-2006 08:07 AM]

And just a few months before they traded Marbury, Colangelo gave him about 100 mil dollars because he thought he fit the system so well. Then Amare and Marion get injured and it's amazing how bad your PG will look. Marbury has flaws but I really can't criticize him for anything he did *on* the court in Phoenix.


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 03-15-2006 08:23 AM]

what are you talking about

Shawn Marion 79 games played that season and Amare was healthy at the beginning of the season too. Joe Johnson played every game that season as well.

Frank Johnson was the coach at the time of the 100 mill resigning. Much different coaching philosophy.

1 of D'Antoni's first comments aftr taking over basically said he thought Steph was a 2 and ots to a teams detriment to have him control the ball. blueseasts has a thread over on realgm with all the comments in 1 post.
Marion was injured. I never said he sat out. He played through a bad ankle sprain. Amare missed most of the games early in the season.

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3/15/2006  12:28 PM
He is, and always will be, a tease.
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3/15/2006  12:36 PM
Tim may play well for Phoenix. Can they keep Tim motivated on offense? Possibly. On defense, nope.

Fact still remains, he was a fugazy all the way, had a terrible attitude and was a key component of a pretty awful season. If he finds success somewhere, good for him. He was a terrible fit for us.
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3/15/2006  1:15 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Goes to show you great of an offensive system that D'Antoni runs. Anyone can be put into that starting lineup and score and win on that team. Boy, Stephon Marbury couldn't buy into that system?

Makes alot of sense...Steph couldn't buy into a run and gun system....

Why do you think they shipped him out? Look at the quotes from him and Penny Hardaway after they left. Hardaway was extremely against the new system, as was Steph. Might not make sense to you but thats not surprising.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 03-15-2006 08:07 AM]



Why did they ship him out...hmm..maybe that large impossible contract along with Penny's for expiring contracts? you think that makes sense...How about the idea that they knew they could get Nash alot cheaper....Just a thought....
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3/15/2006  1:17 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Goes to show you great of an offensive system that D'Antoni runs. Anyone can be put into that starting lineup and score and win on that team. Boy, Stephon Marbury couldn't buy into that system?

Makes alot of sense...Steph couldn't buy into a run and gun system....

Why do you think they shipped him out? Look at the quotes from him and Penny Hardaway after they left. Hardaway was extremely against the new system, as was Steph. Might not make sense to you but thats not surprising.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 03-15-2006 08:07 AM]



Why did they ship him out...hmm..maybe that large impossible contract along with Penny's for expiring contracts? you think that makes sense...How about the idea that they knew they could get Nash alot cheaper....Just a thought....
They gave Marbury the contract huge contract you're saying they wanted to get out of just a couple of months before the trade.

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3/15/2006  1:18 PM
Posted by Nalod:


With Freedom comes responsability.

Look at the quality players whom critique the LB way. Guys with a winning background?

Penny was critical of Larry? That is humor!

Why was Detroit or any of larrys team successful? Defense!

Rememember the 1990's? Our teams offense was putrid, but it was the D that won.

1970's? If you listen in the quiet of the garden, you can still hear the chants!



The entire olympic team had nothing good to say about Larry....U think those are quality players..
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3/15/2006  1:25 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Goes to show you great of an offensive system that D'Antoni runs. Anyone can be put into that starting lineup and score and win on that team. Boy, Stephon Marbury couldn't buy into that system?

Makes alot of sense...Steph couldn't buy into a run and gun system....

Why do you think they shipped him out? Look at the quotes from him and Penny Hardaway after they left. Hardaway was extremely against the new system, as was Steph. Might not make sense to you but thats not surprising.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 03-15-2006 08:07 AM]



Why did they ship him out...hmm..maybe that large impossible contract along with Penny's for expiring contracts? you think that makes sense...How about the idea that they knew they could get Nash alot cheaper....Just a thought....
They gave Marbury the contract huge contract you're saying they wanted to get out of just a couple of months before the trade.

Marbury set up that contract for himself with his awesome series against San Antonio. Plus he was a feel-good story at the time because he had gone through a whole public transformation with all his "changed man" stories after his jailing on a DUI.
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3/15/2006  1:27 PM
Posted by Solace:

Tim may play well for Phoenix. Can they keep Tim motivated on offense? Possibly. On defense, nope.

Fact still remains, he was a fugazy all the way, had a terrible attitude and was a key component of a pretty awful season. If he finds success somewhere, good for him. He was a terrible fit for us.

that's pretty much it right there... the guy's always going to leave you wanting so much more because he shows glimpses of how much talent he actually has when he wants to try... the problem is he loses motivation to try after a few games & goes right back to being the lazy, loafer on the court he's always been, happy to collect the millions on his contract that he somehow swindled from the team who signed him to begin with...

he'd best fit in w/a team like MIA where guys like Riley, Shaq & Wade will make sure to ride his arse & not let him be a loafer... he could probably be pretty valuable 3rd scoring option in that type of scenario.
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3/15/2006  1:37 PM
Posted by holfresh:

Why did they ship him out...hmm..maybe that large impossible contract along with Penny's for expiring contracts? you think that makes sense...How about the idea that they knew they could get Nash alot cheaper....Just a thought....


I find it humerous that you chose to neglect the article I posted which centralized on comments made about the leadership of the Suns during Marburys stint and the fact that he wouldn't buy in D'Antoni's system which is now winning game after game; as much as I may dislike that system, it's still successful. The common denominator here? Marbury refuses to buy into the coach system in Phoenix and he's chose to do so again here in New York.

Just for the record, if Phoenix thought Marbury was doing a good job they would have had no need to bring in Nash, no matter how much money they saved. They couldn't keep Marbury becuase Marbury wouldn't play the coaches system.

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3/15/2006  1:40 PM
maybe Marbury should take over for LB... at least then we all know he'd buy into the coach's system for a change.
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3/15/2006  2:01 PM
Player/Coach? It could work!
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3/15/2006  3:27 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Player/Coach? It could work!



Look at it this way, he can't do a worse job...
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3/15/2006  3:37 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Player/Coach? It could work!



Look at it this way, he can't do a worse job...





i'm sure he'd have lots of success playing 1 on 5 every night.
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3/15/2006  10:07 PM
Phoenix is getting outrebounded by 8 just before half and still lead 70-51! This team is like Loyola Marymount from years ago. Oh yeah, TT has 9 points in 10 minutes at the half and 4 rebounds.
We could be the Dallas Mavs of the East.
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Posted by TMS:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Player/Coach? It could work!



Look at it this way, he can't do a worse job...





i'm sure he'd have lots of success playing 1 on 5 every night.



I'm not sure how you pile up 8 assist per game for 10 years playing by yourself...
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