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islesfan
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3/14/2006  11:21 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by holfresh:


Even if Fyre turned into Antawn Jamison, I'll take that...They also had similiar rook numbers...


get out of the stat sheet.



Antawn Jamison....23 mins...9.6 pts...6.4 rebs..0.7 asst...0.3 blks.. in his rook yr...

so you are right.....Frye had better numbers....

My bad....

[Edited by - holfresh on 03-14-2006 11:02 PM]

I was thinking Frye could be another Raef LaFrentz.

LaFrentz...32 minutes...13.8 pts...7.6 rebs......0.7 asst...1.4 blks...in his rook yr...

oh wait...LaFrentz had better numbers....

My bad...
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3/14/2006  11:36 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by holfresh:


Even if Fyre turned into Antawn Jamison, I'll take that...They also had similiar rook numbers...


get out of the stat sheet.



Antawn Jamison....23 mins...9.6 pts...6.4 rebs..0.7 asst...0.3 blks.. in his rook yr...

so you are right.....Frye had better numbers....

My bad....

[Edited by - holfresh on 03-14-2006 11:02 PM]

I was thinking Frye could be another Raef LaFrentz.

LaFrentz...32 minutes...13.8 pts...7.6 rebs......0.7 asst...1.4 blks...in his rook yr...

oh wait...LaFrentz had better numbers....

My bad...



Come on bro...LeFrenz played 12 games that season and that was his best aver as a pro...

He was also logging 7 mins a game more and I'm sure didn't have a coach messing with his mind..

7 mins makes a difference, especially if you are playing in the western conference...

Next....



[Edited by - holfresh on 03-14-2006 11:37 PM]

[Edited by - holfresh on 03-14-2006 11:38 PM]

[Edited by - holfresh on 03-15-2006 01:44 AM]
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3/15/2006  11:30 AM
i have been watching a few sacratomato games as of late and when i see brad miller, i see a bulkier version of frye. miller is not a great athlete but he knows how to use his body well. has a nice jumper and has great body control. i think if frye bulks up, that could be a good comparison.
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3/15/2006  11:40 AM
no way... Brad Miller's closer to what Bogut will become in a few years... he's a physical defender down low, & he's a good passer for a bigman... Frye's comparison to Raef is actually not that far off (right now i'm saying), but Raef's a better shotblocker... hopefully Frye's work ethic will carry him far over what Raef was unable to accomplish & that is to fully realize his potential.
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3/15/2006  12:21 PM
Frye is averaging 12.7ppg and 5.8rpg in 24.6mpg. That's quite good for a rookie. Project those stats to 36 minutes (reasonable playing time for a starter) and you get 18.6ppg and 8.5rpg. Large statistical analyses have shown that per game stats typically do scale linearly with minutes played, if that is a point of contention. Of course, even if one were to assume that Frye's productivity would take a hit with increased minutes due to increasing defensive pressure, one must also assume that Frye will improve his game as time goes by. Figures like 16 and 7 are thus unreasonably low estimates of where Frye can go with his game. It seems quite likely that he'll be able to put 18 and 8 for at least a few seasons, with the strong possibility existing that he'll do it over an even longer time period and/or post even better stats for some of his better seasons (maybe 20 and 9 or thereabouts). Of course, the extent to which he can become a good defender is more in question.

As to whether Lee has more NBA potential, I think it depends on what means by that term exactly. Lee has the potential to be an outstanding, class A role player. Frye has the potential to be a borderline All-Star. Both types of player are valuable cogs to have. There are some things Lee is better at (running and finishing on the break, handling/passing, defending, rebounding-- generally being a better 'intangibles' player overall) and others Frye is better at (shooting the jumper, posting up, hitting FTs, finishing in traffic-- generally being a more polished and dependable scorer overall).
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3/15/2006  12:26 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by holfresh:


Even if Fyre turned into Antawn Jamison, I'll take that...They also had similiar rook numbers...


get out of the stat sheet.



Antawn Jamison....23 mins...9.6 pts...6.4 rebs..0.7 asst...0.3 blks.. in his rook yr...

so you are right.....Frye had better numbers....

My bad....

[Edited by - holfresh on 03-14-2006 11:02 PM]

I was thinking Frye could be another Raef LaFrentz.

LaFrentz...32 minutes...13.8 pts...7.6 rebs......0.7 asst...1.4 blks...in his rook yr...

oh wait...LaFrentz had better numbers....

My bad...



Come on bro...LeFrenz played 12 games that season and that was his best aver as a pro
12 games? That was pretty lame indeed! However, Raef would have been a good NBA player if he hadn't developed serious knee problems.

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3/15/2006  12:46 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by holfresh:


Even if Fyre turned into Antawn Jamison, I'll take that...They also had similiar rook numbers...


get out of the stat sheet.



Antawn Jamison....23 mins...9.6 pts...6.4 rebs..0.7 asst...0.3 blks.. in his rook yr...

so you are right.....Frye had better numbers....

My bad....

[Edited by - holfresh on 03-14-2006 11:02 PM]

I was thinking Frye could be another Raef LaFrentz.

LaFrentz...32 minutes...13.8 pts...7.6 rebs......0.7 asst...1.4 blks...in his rook yr...

oh wait...LaFrentz had better numbers....

My bad...

Yes, Isles, that's my exact Frye comparison. I think Frye is a good player, but he's basically Raef without the three point shot. I think the 20 and 10 stuff is a little far fetched at this time, and my honest opinion is we should trade him now while his value is so high, or accept the consequence that we have a good player who will fit into our system nicely, but he's not a franchise player.
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3/15/2006  12:47 PM
I love both of these guys . . . and Nate. The 3 of them should be out there playing their hearts out, along with Woods and Butler.
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3/15/2006  1:02 PM
Posted by Marv:

I love both of these guys . . . and Nate. The 3 of them should be out there playing their hearts out, along with Woods and Butler.

Agreed. And I don't want a coach who thinks it's in our long-term interests to be playing guys Malik, Mo, Jerome James ahead of those young ones (even to the extent that the young ones get DNP-CDs)
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3/15/2006  1:04 PM
as the season has progressed Frye has gotten noticeably thinner. His level of play has slumped in direct correlation.

Projecting,

his body can't maintain the level of muscle and physical endurance to be a 36 minutes per night guy scoring 18-20 a game and pulling down 8-10 boards over a full 82.
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3/15/2006  1:38 PM
Posted by McK1:

as the season has progressed Frye has gotten noticeably thinner. His level of play has slumped in direct correlation.

Projecting,

his body can't maintain the level of muscle and physical endurance to be a 36 minutes per night guy scoring 18-20 a game and pulling down 8-10 boards over a full 82.



What are you a doctor?
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3/15/2006  1:39 PM
Posted by McK1:

as the season has progressed Frye has gotten noticeably thinner. His level of play has slumped in direct correlation.

Projecting,

his body can't maintain the level of muscle and physical endurance to be a 36 minutes per night guy scoring 18-20 a game and pulling down 8-10 boards over a full 82.

when charles barkley first came into the league they said he was too short and fat. patrick ewing was supposed to be the next bill russell.

its a little to early to judge frye one way or the other. I think its fairer to expect him to get better, though, as he is a top pick, has shown flashes and has had to endire the whimsy of LBs rotations.
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3/15/2006  1:45 PM
this is the Mike Sweetney is Brand argument all over
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3/15/2006  1:57 PM
Lee has a bigger effect on the course of a game.

Makes bigger rebounds, bigger passes.

Only thing Frye has on him is shooting.
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3/15/2006  2:07 PM
Posted by McK1:

this is the Mike Sweetney is Brand argument all over

Sweetmeu by year 3 is still a fat, 8/4 player. It's not even remotely similar.
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3/15/2006  2:09 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Lee has a bigger effect on the course of a game.

Makes bigger rebounds, bigger passes.

Only thing Frye has on him is shooting.



And being able to create you own shot, playing the 4 and 5 postions...Averaging 13 pts a game vs 5 pts a game...Looking like a potential all-star this season....All teams around the NBA is dying to get him (Frye)....Those might be the only things seperating them....
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3/15/2006  2:15 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by bobs3304:

Lee has a bigger effect on the course of a game.

Makes bigger rebounds, bigger passes.

Only thing Frye has on him is shooting.



And being able to create you own shot, playing the 4 and 5 postions...Averaging 13 pts a game vs 5 pts a game...Looking like a potential all-star this season....All teams around the NBA is dying to get him (Frye)....Those might be the only things seperating them....

being able to create his own shot?

have you seen how horrible he looks when someone closes out on his jumper.

Lee can do the same things Frye does in the post WITH BOTH HANDS
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3/15/2006  2:18 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by McK1:

this is the Mike Sweetney is Brand argument all over

Sweetmeu by year 3 is still a fat, 8/4 player. It's not even remotely similar.

Prior to last season, he was Brand on most Knick forums.
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3/15/2006  2:18 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by McK1:

as the season has progressed Frye has gotten noticeably thinner. His level of play has slumped in direct correlation.

Projecting,

his body can't maintain the level of muscle and physical endurance to be a 36 minutes per night guy scoring 18-20 a game and pulling down 8-10 boards over a full 82.



What are you a doctor?


Hol, seriously, you need to slow down on the posting and put some more thought into your typing. Thanks.
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3/15/2006  2:28 PM
[quote]Posted by McK1:

his body can't maintain the level of muscle and physical endurance to be a 36 minutes per night guy scoring 18-20 a game and pulling down 8-10 boards over a full 82.
Are you saying this is true for all or mostly all rookies or just Frye? I think this is true for most rookies, not just Frye. If you think its just Frye, why do you think so?
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